#46 LowRidingMoths

We’re the happiest downers you’ll ever meet.
— Mindy & Ethan


This episode was recorded in Minot, ND during the weekend of Why Not Fest 8 in 2017.

LowRidingMoths is Mindy Neugebauer and Ethan Dickson of Sioux Falls, SD.

The following is a terrible rush transcript made by a computer.

00:00:01 You play twice. Yesterday my, uh, my other band articles played a dog manifest and we actually got on it, uh, for God on today too. So like last moment.

00:00:15 So yeah. You played, you played yesterday? Oh, yesterday. Twice. Yesterday. What's the other band? Articles? So yeah, Moss and then articles. Nice. Yeah. Nice. Um, had you been to grand forks, sweetheart? No,

00:00:34 it was my first start, my drummer, the drummer's other band grobe played there. Grobe grobe. It's a good name. I don't know how the heck he got the name.

00:00:48 Nice. How was your drive from grand forks? Good. Was it bad?

00:00:55 I was, I was dozing. I started dozing off a little bit. Kind of sucked. But for me that I'm always like, are you all right? Yeah, I'm just tired. It was peanuts. Gave me a boost of energy.

00:01:13 Thank you for coming. Thank you for heaven. I appreciate, I appreciate it. I love having strangers shut up in my life so he can talk about bands and shit. It's great stuff. Um, so you, you played grand forks yesterday, talking about that and then um, are you doing, are you doing like a little mini tour or are you just in there and like here and

00:01:36 they're in here and that's, that's it for now. Uh, we kinda made it a goal to do festivals this summer, so we just try to pick a couple of festivals that we could get on and kind of line them up in the same date range. Nike, just wham Bam a couple of days at a time. Oh yeah. I think to do like shorter today will be like our fourth festival this year. Really? What else did you play? Um, well I'll get the first one. I wasn't really like, it was a festival because it was laid out like a festival where they didn't call it a festival. They called it a party, but uh, it was the old barn party. It was just. Yeah. And that was by chamberlain, South Dakota and that was really cool. Performance under performed in the good old ratty barn. Looked a 35 year old mother filed cat.

00:02:22 You know what? Just the normal. Yeah, you lik to mummified cash. People were poisonous. The they were like, yeah, you're going to lick the cat. I'm like, yeah, sure. And then they showed me videos of it and people are just like barely touching it with the tip of their tongue. I'm like, oh man guys are so. I just pick the cat up and I just give it a full. Just Lik a whole body, like know what. Can you describe it the way it felt? It felt like a rock covered in 30 year old, like dust. That's about it. That's so disgusting. I like to just push the boundaries, like to just go for it. Usually I just like to watch. So yeah, you're always, you've always been like that. You're like a carrot hanging out on the corner and watch pretty much. But uh, and then, and then we, uh, and then not too long ago we played a grody fest in Sioux Falls.

00:03:25 Okay. Grody is a good ride or die industries, so run by Rad or dye industry. Nice. Yeah, it's run by Paul Squad. He's in a band, know he's in a couple of bands. He's in like trump party, chars are hard, rain bros are highly synth orientated, but really good like, yeah, very eclectic sounding. And where was that one? That was in Sioux falls. It was a total drag. Okay. Okay. Okay. We did play for Tedx out in rapid city, South Dakota as well. For what? For tedx or Ted talks you played at after their. After party for it? Yeah. They contacted us out of the blue and they're like, Hey, we heard your music and we'd like to book you. And we're like, what? Like yeah. And we were like, okay, how is that? Um, it was different. A lot of people coming up to you trying to blow your mind with new ideas.

00:04:25 No, but like, uh, we did meet some pretty cool people. We met a guy from somewhere over in Europe. He was from England somewhere in their mode. He opened up for while. So that was a, that was cool conversation. He really dug our music though. He liked it a lot, but like, I don't know, it was, it was like one of those things where it was more kind of like a social gathering and like we were just kind of there to, to like make a background noise. While I would say back a little bit better than that. It was a different environment to be put in for sure. Um, but people, people were receptive. They liked it. We typically play more intimate settings or diy settings, you know, but um, I dunno, we're spoiled in Sioux falls because people are pretty, uh, adamant about being out there to see your music. If they come out, people drop everything to watch you. And it's weird because like the first time we played at total drag, it was so unusual. It wasn't awkward. It was unusual to have people right here in your face watching you not doing anything else but just watching you totally. It was unusual for you. It was unusual. I like, I like those kinds of settings. I like being like, just like right there. I do. I, I love that. Now are you two from Sioux falls? Originally I, I'm from, I'm

00:05:58 from a town like 45 minutes away from Sioux. You've always got Parker Dakota and then from another town about an hour and a half away call the Scotland, Scotland, Scotland, South Dakota, North Dakota. Um, yeah. So we're both from small rural towns. Oh, cool. I think that of contributes to how we developed as people. Uh, in what way?

00:06:28 So you turned to okay. You're only advice is if you're not a young, dumb kid that's drinking beer, you're probably listening to music.

00:06:35 Yeah. Yeah. So it started that way. I grew up in Bismarck and like it's not, I mean it's not rural, but there's not shit to do. I'm so. Oh really? That's cool.

00:06:49 There really wasn't much going on in Sioux falls up until like three, three years ago.

00:06:53 Go. Yeah. So. And that's yet again, total drag. Yeah. I've, so I've heard so much about total drag, just like kind of through the grapevine and I'm, I'm kinda like, what, what is going on in Sioux falls?

00:07:10 I don't know. It's this weird little safe haven of veteran musicians meets brand new musicians, meets people that haven't even thought about playing music and lumps all the Weirdos and eclectic people together. There's so many artists, creative people that are just kind of dumped into one scene and it's nice because there's a wide variety of acceptance on every platform. Yeah. And so like everybody's super supportive if you have problems or questions or you're trying to learn, there's usually somebody that can answer those questions for you. So it's, I dunno like wow, they took everything that you typically know from like standard city-based scenes and kind of throw it out the window and just lumped it all together. Like nothing's better than anything that's helped people rise up from what it was and stop putting people down. Just be their support people and do it. Okay.

00:08:05 Really cool. I also think a big thing was the fact that like it was, it was the first all ages venue too. That helps a lot because like any, any of all the smaller, not smaller bands or any of the younger bands. Yeah. If they wanted to place somewhere they had to like find a house to play in the Eastman or whatnot, and those usually get shut down pretty quickly. And then uh, so yeah, when they opened up, I mean like, yeah, this is a strew a band. So just to kind of just started just pouring out like I think within that first year we had seen like maybe 20 new bands pop up and now this year like there's at least another 10, maybe 12 that have already popped up again and it just like, it just keeps going. I think a lot. Well that. And then there's a lot of these bands are like starting to like get together

00:08:56 and like, like members from other bands are getting together and forming other bands.

00:09:00 Yeah, it's getting pretty incestuous as far as creative goes. I mean it is, it's wonderful.

00:09:06 I feel like a musical polyamory is like, yeah, it's good to get around. Um, so who, who are and. Well, Gosh there's, I have a lot I have a lot of questions about. So follows. So you two have been playing music and like involved in the scene pre this like total drake boom or are you kind of part of that?

00:09:34 Well, okay. So my other band articles, I've had that for probably about five or six years now and I started that like started with a buddy out of job corps and like it just clicked. Your worked really well. But then he uh,

00:09:54 I don't know, just doesn't mean differences happened and like he kinda just like disappeared and I was just like, I'm just going to keep doing it but I just did it by myself and it's kind of like we're just sitting there at home just like writing music but didn't have a place to play because I didn't want to go to a bar and play like just me with a bunch of digital drums and stuff. And also I didn't want to have to pay to play some places. But then there's a plan. There's a couple places that are like that.

00:10:22 A quick detail, what either how many people live in Sioux falls during the. How many people

00:10:28 filler in Sioux falls? I think like when you include like the, the, the, the outline, like there's like two or three towns that are like included kind of the outskirts of Sioux falls, all of that. It's like a quarter of a million.

00:10:41 Okay. I think it was more than that. I thought it was like 13.

00:10:44 Well No, like Sioux falls, Sioux falls itself is 170 something thousand people I don't know. But then like you include Harrisburg and tea and bids of brandon and you get a quarter of million. I believe

00:10:59 it's, it's an interesting story for sure. I'll just google it right now.

00:11:05 So I think that's probably like it's pretty close but a little bit I think a little bit bigger than bismark. Where, where I grew up.

00:11:12 Yeah. It's just that there was no venues to play for anybody that wasn't a bar band or a cover band or even for the longest time folk music, like acoustic stuff was hard to get really sat in the coffee shop started picking up for the longest time. There was maybe one or two places in town that allowed a acoustic performances and things like that and then as the downtown community started to develop because it used to be all rundown and crappy down there and oh, interested have a development has gone down there and it's a lot of small business owners. No, not 30 years old people. No, it's like people that like have either grown up in South Dakota and came back or, or something along that line and they wanted to start a business. So they started it downtown and like, it's just really boomed.

00:12:06 Uh, the arts community just flourished because of that. Like we have, um, what is that sculpture walk sculptures on all the corners and really through Lincoln, which is like every first Friday of the month, the like all a downtown, like certain certain stores or shops will do art shows and a bunch of them we'll also do like live music after or during, depending on what it is. And then they do like, um, like wine walk where they serve them other places. And then they do the same thing there where they open it to musicians and other artists to be like live performance. I remember our first, our first show we played in the and like the first Friday we played it in an alleyway. Those loads of fun and there was, there was a trough. They set up a trough in front of us for free will donation and we had four or five bands and we had this most intense pep talk I've ever had in my life by the owner of the company who's building we were behind and he gave us this great pep talk about Sioux falls and fucking fall he was just jacked and it was hilarious and everybody was like, oh my God, okay.

00:13:22 Whatever. Like wow, that was intense. But he like pulled out this truck or a free will donation. And it was like the most money any of us had made in like $200 of his own money in there just like people donate, watch me, I'm doing it right now. And it was, I don't know, it was great. They had like probably 15 to 20 different booths set up out there in the back of the building for artists material and it was great. There's tons of really, really talented people and they just fester downtown, which is nice because it's totally. He started knocking, knocking together with people like that. Like a lot can happen. Huh? Wow. Why did that start happening? Like was there some like economic reason for a bunch of these people to move back? I think well downtown space get really cheap. It was like Sioux falls want me to just be like at that time, like just as like total drug was opening up.

00:14:22 Like they were starting to do some development to try to because like I was South Dakota, like it's, you know, as a Midwest, Midwest state, most young people want to get away. They wanted to go venture out into the world and whatnot. They want to keep us there. So they're trying to, like the city was trying to accommodate, trying to make it more live on one. Not there was the small business owner is popping up again too. And so like that. And I don't know what I mean, but then also like a lot of people like South Dakota has a way of sucking people back for some reason, but like it seems like right around the time people start popping out kids, they're like, ah, you know, I want to move back to South Dakota. It's nice out there. I could totally live in the city. And I think a lot of people do that.

00:15:09 There's an amazing artist, Shane Schroeder, and he travels all over. He's actually doing a mural right next to a total drag right now and common sense on the wall and he's gotten national recognition for his stuff and he's just bad as um, who else can I named her? Um, what else is there that's really cool about Sioux falls? I mean, there's a lot of things cool about Sioux falls. It's pretty great because like, it's like an international airport exploded. Like somebody filled a giant, giant boat and just dropped off all sorts of people of every variety. There's run with Asian restaurants,

00:15:49 really Mexican restaurant, a Mexican restaurants I don't like with total drag icon and Vishnu bunny tattoos, like the, all three of them like work together really, really well on trying to get shows lined up for bands like. So Dan from total drag can't do all three of those places or venues. Yes. Okay. Yeah. ICON is a bar, but they will do all ages shows or not is a.

00:16:16 They do.

00:16:18 I think they do. I guess I would, I would, I would say it's more like, well I've seen maybe some 16 year olds there before, but they wristband, so I mean, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, they'll do all ages shows, but like, yeah, just wristband thing, which that's cool. Like a bar doing an all ages thing. That's, that's awesome. Um, Vishnu's that tattoo shop. Okay. The, the, they do shows. They usually do shows on the first Fridays of the art stuff and whatnot. And then yeah, total drag. And when Dan lives they like, I mean, Dan, he, he, he used to be in a couple bands, was seurat's. Uh, he was, uh, he had a stint in riff Lord and whatnot. Um, he's uh, he, he's really good friends with Brogan Costa, which he was the guy who didn't, the majority of the merchandising for starfucker the, that you need to check that you need to check that band out is awesome. Um, but like, yeah, him and his wife and Brogan, like they just pitched in on this thing because they were just like, oh, you know, like, well let's do I want to have a record shop and we want to have something that could be like, yeah, just a little music venue. And I don't think they ever intended it to be as big as it to

00:17:30 turn to because it was. Well, even their building, you know, it like even just that block, the way that it's developed started is like, it's wicked awesome because it was a crusty building. Common sense was a rat hole. It was in a tiny little nook and stuff for those cool. About two days. And then they got the the spot next to them and the additional spots that were on the street before it hits apartment buildings. Or was that an apartment building or business building?

00:18:03 Well, there's two more spots next to the total drag and then it was part of it,

00:18:06 but they weren't closed. Nobody was in. It was all just helping them grow. So total drag, like painted and cleaned stuff up in their space and it was going good. And then broken. Moved back from Los Angeles and he wanted to get in there and common sense, decided that they were going to flip around and go to the other side of the building and build on there and do stuff on the other side. So free to open their space for total drag to expand, double the space. And then green dream screenprinting opened up right next to total drag the skate shop.

00:18:47 That block though is like the coolest blog and the entire city. A good bar to go to two good buyers to go to her just right down the street. Tommy Jackson top hat. So. And they're within walking distance. And what's nice about total drag is it's no booze, no nonsense, so that's cool. So they can be an all ages venue, but like, you know, if you still want to have a drink you can just literally walk a half a block away and come back. That's great. Um, so I always joke with them and say that it's rad town. Like this is rad town, Sioux falls is little rad.

00:19:22 I hear that. I'm just thinking like, oh, it's full of radiation. It is video games. It's nice. So total drag is, it's a record store primarily. That's the, that's their main source of income. Like they don't take in any money from the shows, like the oatmeal, like all the money that they make from the doors goes to the band's night. So like, yeah, what keeps them going? They've talked with Dan about it. Like the majority of their money that they make for the, from the business is during shows selling records because like they open an extra three hours and people will come. Like when it's, when bands are playing, like people want to walk around, listen to music in checkout records or listening to music and then in between bands go check out records and like, yeah,

00:20:13 well I think it helps us, both Dan and Liz have a really, really good ear for tunes and they're both kind of, they're kind of in the middle of the spectrum when they with each other, but they're both kind of on opposite spectrums for personal taste. So together they like, he curates a lot of really good selection and it's so cool. Um, and he, he handpicks a lot of stuff that comes in and they have glass display cases for like the rarities and the special stuff that come in every time glass wall and it's like every time I go in there and I got to avoid that spot.

00:20:52 Yeah. Back. I was trying to remember, did I, did you buy it or did I get it for you for Christmas? But she has a first pressing of mad seasons that you did buy that box or something like that. Oh wait, did I get you goo? Was that Sonic Youth Goo? I think that's the one that I got and that was a first pressing two and I'm like, yeah, he has a couple of good ones there. I'm trying to think of all my favorite. My favorite by that. I've gotten there from 2016. Seriously, it was like a $5 record that I found just in length or used bin is called Hell No. Band is called Hell No. And like super hard to come, uh, come across and I think they did only the one record and the only one pressing of it. And it's some of like some of the coolest like post punk, nice avant garde artsy kind of stuff that I've ever heard.

00:21:50 I've, I've found a lot of stuff, like I have a sweet spot for like the grunge era. So I've come across a lot of like l seven babes in toyland

00:22:00 spiral. That's what I got for Christmas. I got you a first pressing of the downward spiral.

00:22:06 Yeah. Um, and then I'm trying to think of whatever. What other cool stuff I've come across there. There's a, there's a dude that was actually his history teacher, my old history teacher in high school. Bjorn Berg is his name. He's the coolest dude ever. He's got like such an eclectic music tastes, but he's like a stockpile hoarder of show memorabilia and merchandise.

00:22:35 He's been to CBGBS whiskey.

00:22:38 What is the garage sale every year? Like it, it's a pretty prime spot to go to because he puts a shit ton of stuff out. And like I got an original pressing of surrealistic pillow, um, for uh, Jefferson airplane and like, wow, some original posters for the cakes and the early nineties stickers from the nineties from Melvins and sonic youth first pressing of the CD inserts because when you used to go and buy cds, they were like these long oblong box. So you'd get the CD case in the sleeves inside. Were these like long oblong legal sheet printings of them as opposed to a traditional. Sure. We know of CD cases and jewel cases. And so he had those. So like, I picked up a ton of those and I was like, this is so bad ass. But like, he's an amazing dude too, but like he funnels a lot of his records and the total drag too.

00:23:40 He always does these grab eggs, like Brown paper sack adventures. He just writes information on there, like a local punk from Minnesota, uh, features, uh, some of the hardest babes you've ever seen before, like rocking it out, a little information or like when he got, um, and what, what was going on at that time. And so I think the one that I got had like, um, I had like two gas huffer eps and they're a hamlet's. I got some minutemen him in the garage sale. Oh my gosh, he's bad ass. But it's always, I can always tell when it's his records because I, for some reason, like I am attracted to his record. So immediately I'm like, oh, I want that. And I'm like, oh, Yep, that's. Yeah, I'm back in, back in when I was in high school. It's like that guy, like having no events do you feel.

00:24:43 But he was a bit boring as a teacher born and he was very monotone and whatnot. But I talked to him about music and he, he turned me onto so much, so many different, like really, really good bands in my young age, but that's to a shit ton of shows and he documents like everything. He takes footage, he posts reviews online. He's, he's amazing. It's like, but I'm so glad that he's a hoarder. I am so glad he's a hoarder when it comes to that. I'm going to be that guy probably. I feel like I that gal stockpiled of stuff like broken sticks for my first juicer for concert. Nice. Actually I'm pal. I'm pals with those guys and they're fucking awesome. So give me a show with them sometimes I don't want to play with her. They just played not too long ago up in Minnesota and then I think they were doing, they went over into the European tour and so I know that they're planning, I don't know if it's fall or whatever, that they're coming back through and hopefully in the midwest because the day I told him I was like, you or do you need to come back to South Dakota?

00:25:54 They played down in Omaha. I think like a couple of days before my other band down there, back in April, and that's the reason why that's what it was. But yeah, they're, they're fricking awesome. I always feel like I'm just rambling. Nonsense cat cats and get on that mic a little bit more. Cats and dogs and moths. Dogs taste them. Sludgy dogs. Um, who are some of the bands like in Sioux falls right now that like you're friends with you play shows with squash, androgynous squash. Those guys are awesome. Angie. Harsh Australians is trying to get Linda in here. Lemons. Yup.

00:26:44 A Lindy just debuted his other side project better.

00:26:48 Lots of lizards. Brogan that the screen printing guy. He's in that band as well too. No, I'm, I'm

00:26:57 Bodega Sushi, which is Dan from total dregs band. He's the drummer in and sings. He's amazing.

00:27:04 Grobe. Oh my gosh. We've, we've played with grobe. Green altering alter.

00:27:09 Amazing. We love those guys so much.

00:27:13 She split with them. Yeah. Stoners synth pop, mead stoner, doom, metal. I am so fucking baffled by Sioux falls. This is bizarre.

00:27:25 It is. It. It's a, it's a huge melting pot. It's great because it's been like bubbling under the surface for years, like it was dead. His shit for I was a kid, like if you wanted to go to a show or anything, it had to be a house show. There was no fear of going anywhere else. I'd never gotten to experience how it shows and I wish I would have. It was nice. It was nice to go and see the bands and stuff and like made you feel like, wow, this is fucking awesome. Like I can't believe I'm getting to experience it made you feel cool. But like I don't, I don't miss the straight edge kids, the x's on the hand. And how many safety pins can I put on my fucking cold can of shit. And like the cliques that went along with house shows. I don't miss that. Interesting. I don't miss the damn. That's interesting. That's along from house show. That's interesting that you um, how shows in your area had that sort of quick five? Um, I feel like total dregs still has that house show feel, but like everybody's really supportive. If you get wild and crazy people to pick you up. No, I think, you know, on some level there's still probably some sort of clicks here and there, but it's a, it's totally awesome. Like a wide variety of acceptance. Like I said, everybody's cool.

00:28:47 What? The microphone. Yeah, get on that mic.

00:28:52 You're scared of it. So been scared of pop filter. I'm all like, yeah, no, that's perfect. That sounds great. You can go right up on that pop filter. Asked me some questions were where do you guys do recordings and does those total drag to help people do recordings? Because I feel like I've looked at like Vanji harsh stuff and it says something about like total drag record and z. They don't like the, they have a tape label, which is totally okay. And did you do your tape through through them and whatnot? Um, so recording for the moss and whatnot. Our basement, our basement. Yeah. I like, I okay. I own a studio but we, we, we captured it and kind of

00:29:42 mixed it together because she had a particular sound she's looking for and I had one too. So it's like, okay, let's just kind of work together on it.

00:29:50 And uh, yeah, it was a, that was a long process. It was four months of trying not to kill each other. Yeah. That only took four months. Yeah, it doesn't seem that long to me. I mean, yeah, it's not that long, but to me it seemed like forever because we had kind of with all the live play that we were doing because shows where you're popping up left and right, left and right. And we were busy like I don't think we expected. We don't expect it ever expected to be playing as many shows as we did. Interesting. Um, it was interesting how we started. We kind of messed around, said we'd never make music together. And then we just started making music together randomly, like four months, five months into our relationship. And uh, which was funny too, because we said we'd never get together.

00:30:42 We just wanted to be friends. We, yeah, we got together. So we've, we've been liars the whole time. Um, but uh, yeah, we hit a, we went to a music festival, we bought a Ukulele there that was handmade and we started messing around with keyboards and stuff. Cool. He had heard music that I did in my past and he was like, let's, let's give this a try. So we had started to make like one song and we had like a rough cut of it done on my cell phone and we went to a show to see angie harsh. Right. Was it Andrew? Hockey squash. I always get them confused. Squash was first, yes. And then it was hard squash. And then harsh. Harsh happened after me and Peter got together. Yeah. Well

00:31:27 No, no harsh. Harsh actually was around then too because it's harsh. Did play that night too. I forgot, but it was just lindy and Keaton that time as opposed to the full band. But,

00:31:38 but we went to this house show and Renner and Dan and Liz were there and we felt like we were the older people or at least I did. So like I was like, Hey dan, Liz, la La didn't know I'm a whole lot yet. And uh, we ended up hanging out with them most of the night and talking to them and uh, said that we were messing around and they were like, oh yeah, you got anything? And so we played them and they're like, when do you want to do a show? And uh, yeah, do you want to do a show? And we were like, sure, and didn't think nothing of it and got a message and like, Hey, I got you booked for 30 days from today, can you fill a half an hour slot? And I'm like, shit, we have to write something nice. So we wrote a bunch of stuff and uh, just we played a massive amount of shows and then I, the

00:32:28 music change to like, it originally started off kind of garage rocky with a little bit of synth pop in it. But then it, I, I told her, I was like, oh yeah, we can't, we can be doing like we need to choose one path or the other. And then we evolved into this doom, gloom, stoners and stuff that we are now.

00:32:49 It's a, I have, I have good plans for the future. I want to get a little more to my roots, a little more industrial, a little more chaotic. Nice. Some more layering. I want to make it be like I have eight arms but don't so hell yeah, that's what I'm looking forward to.

00:33:08 But yeah. No, so I mean back to the whole recording thing though. Yeah. It took us four months to do it and then yeah, I did

00:33:16 so due to do just the recording or to write and record.

00:33:20 It was already written. It was all written because we were playing so many shows. So we were really practiced up. We just uh, yeah, I took four months to capture all the sound and makes and master it. I think we captured most of the sound within like a two week period and then it was little things like, uh, there was a pop here or. Oh sure. It sounds like you might have got off time here, like little, just little

00:33:44 minute things. So we made corrections and fixes and sometimes had to do the whole fricken track over.

00:33:52 Nice. Did you. So did you have all of the different parts written before you record it or like when you're recording aren't you adding new parts?

00:34:02 I mean she wouldn't. When he came into vocal harmony, she, she like added like stuff that she doesn't do live

00:34:09 because I have more flexibility in those areas, but I like to try to stay pretty true to it if I can, if I can play it live or try to manipulate it live, I'll totally do that. But I dunno. I feel like if you overload it nad so much that you can't sound even remotely close to what you are alive then what's the point? I understand you want your sound quality to be good and you want it to be the best of the best. But yeah, I think from a consumer standpoint of somebody that just loves music, I think the live live shows are where it's at. So if you can capture the same fields that you have on your album versus your live thing and you can still punch people in the get with your sales, that's all that matters.

00:34:55 I remember, uh, uh, somebody from minimum you brought a minimum and I was thinking the thing about somebody from men was a talking about how like the record is basically just a flyer to get people to like come to the shows. Totally. Yeah. I can see that. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah. They would say that we spent, we spent a lot of time

00:35:17 mixing and mastering.

00:35:19 I spend like hours one time, like just like I literally sat down for eight hours head phones on and mixed and mastered from like 10:00 at night till like five or whatnot in the morning. Just like, well yeah, he's a super late. There was times I got like

00:35:38 way too intense and like we would have to stop, couldn't listen to it for a couple days. Especially at me. Like, Oh yeah, I'd be like, oh my God, I hate that song. Like I don't want to hear it ever again. Why the heck? I would like yell. I'd be like, why the hell did I write this shit? This is terrible. You know what it sounds like shit. And I'd be like low riding moths and he'd be like, you gotta stop that. And I'd be like, fuck you, this is terrible. Who does this? We do, we do this. We take a couple days break from it and go back and I don't know, it'd be like having a new set of ears and you'd be like, Oh shit, hey this is the problem there. And I, I've got the solution for the fix like. And then it'd be like, oh that worked out.

00:36:18 All right, cool. Let's move on. Nice. And then I think seeing progression is what makes it awesome. The recording process, they're seeing any sort of progression with your band. Yup, totally. Totally. Capture recording or live footage or a. somebody even takes like video and post it up on youtube or whatever facebook seeing from when you started out to where you are now or whatever along the road. It's cool. As long as you see progression, I think you're going in the right direction. No, I was just through the writing process for all the newer songs and not has been a hell of a lot easier. It was the first batch of songs. Yeah, the first batch was, a lot of it was, I wouldn't say like trial and error, but like I was asking a lot of questions to anybody and everybody that I could. Sorry, I'm terrible about this. Um, see I'm loud enough when I'm loud enough when I sing. I don't have to be close to the mic just a little bit. Maybe it's because I don't like Phallic things in my face like right here all the time. Um, yeah. I don't know.

00:37:34 I forgot what I was saying. So thanks for that. You're asking people questions about, uh, have we ask people questions about everything? Like um, I was asking other female musicians how they deal with anxiety onstage or how they deal with being in a predominantly male environment total? Or have you had any bad experiences or is there anything that you can recommend? Like, um, how, how do, do, how do you deal with that? Be a smart ass? I don't know. I mean even with him sometimes he'll be like here, like let me help you with that. And it'd be like, oh, because I was just so helpless, I can't do that. And then I'm like, here you go to my guitar, just like, fuck you. So like, uh, I don't, I don't think there's too much of that in Sioux falls is predominantly male and there's a lot of males. I think there's like maybe like five females, five to possibly eight. Five. Yeah, about five to eight female

00:38:39 there. There might be some more that we're just not aware of. I remember what's her name? Uh, Mia, whatnot. She, she played, uh, like at the Old Barn Party. She was in the big green Mercedes thing she plays in Sioux falls is just like, she doesn't play the, the, the same lines that we do, like the same group or the same venues. And what she does, she does more of like, I don't know,

00:39:06 traveling musicians, I would say like people that live out of the city that sound to play or do shows. But like in the city itself, people that are active in the music scene and playing shows frequently there is limited. It's like five to eight women. That sucks. It does. That seems really low. It does. I mean, it's kind of, it's nice though, like the gals that are in the are in like the lead. They're like, they're all very cool, like they're all very talented too. Like I would say like we work very hard to show that, you know, we know what we're doing and they're totally capable of

00:39:46 Rachel and Amanda. They're, they're excellent, excellent, excellent bass players. Oh, so she, she, she's a really good song writer, has really good voice and she could play guitar.

00:39:57 Yeah, she's, she's really good. And she was kind of brought up into the music lifestyle. So I think, uh, she's an automatic performer for sure. Then like there's a lot of, there's a lot of people like that that are automatic performers and some other people. It takes time to get that performance aspect worked out. Like I think I'm one of those people. Um, I can totally play stuff and I will sing my heart out for you, but it might be entertaining for you on stage. Maybe not. I might be like a dead moth, but as long as you don't mind staring at me going, oh, what's on those wings, you know? Oh my gosh, it's fine. As long as you let my music do the talking, that's all I care about. If you can do that, then you can. You can get it.

00:40:44 How's the inquiries? Gregory fest was A. I don't know if I would say that the, the, the show itself was a big breakthrough, but like allowed lets you, like you kinda got to a point where you're just like, screw this. I don't fucking care. Like I'm just going to fucking. I'm just going to do. I'm just going to do me. And if somebody doesn't like it, well then screw them. Well that's, well that's when we rehab. We live half way dressed up. I, we were in bath robes and slippers,

00:41:14 hair and makeup done makeup on half of my face and the side of my face had bright red lipstick on only one half of my lips. And people were like, I can't stop looking at your face. Like that's just hypnotizing. Like it really bothers me. But I'm okay with it at the same time and I'm like, yeah, well I didn't get a good start so I couldn't. You can't expect them to finish it. So, uh,

00:41:41 I dunno. But yeah, no, I just, I remember that day like you told me, you're just like, yeah, no, I really just don't care anymore. I don't care what people think, I'm just gonna do what I want to do. And I've been telling you that for, for three years now

00:41:54 for like the very first year I was super self conscious about it, like I hadn't, hadn't played publicly in like 13 years. I hadn't played an instrument prior to Loreti moths and preparing for that in three years. Um, and I just kinda like music had dropped out of my life and it was very lack luster and uh, always a listener. Yeah. Um, but I just never felt like I had creativity. And like now I have like, I like these weird, like burst of explosions, like it's usually under stressful times or something cool waking up or I'm just waking up or it's an hour before show, sometimes interesting times right before a show I'm like, Oh shit. Oh yeah. And he's like, we'll do like a quick practice or something before we load up our gear and, and go and he'll be like, come on, let's just run our stuff.

00:42:51 And I'm like, no, no, fuck you, I've got this idea, like just listen to this. And he's like, okay, okay. And he's like, I don't, I don't know what I can do with this, like I don't know what you want me to do with this. And I'm like, just just fucking listen to it. And he's like, okay. And then five minutes later he's like, okay, check this out. I've got this baseline, do you like this? And I'm like, oh yeah, I really liked that. And he's like, okay, well shit, what if I play that baseline on the keyboard here and you put on the guitar. Okay, okay. So when he does that and then it just builds like that and I'm like, okay, build a little alarm, write it out. And I'm like, okay, let's do this, let's pack up and go. Nice. So we sometimes just drop brand new stuff and

00:43:30 literally hours after we returned them.

00:43:33 I think the hardest thing of acceptance in all of it is where the fact that if, if I gave up control of not caring, then I don't have a fear of failure. If you can let go of fear of failure, then it's okay. Like it doesn't matter. Like who cares if you like my music, who cares? If you don't like my music, I. It shouldn't matter. It shouldn't, it shouldn't. But for some reason, like I don't know if it's society or if I'm just like methodically programmed to think that. So I constantly find myself. I'm like, it doesn't matter,

00:44:08 nothing matters. Everything is an illusion. We're all going to fucking die

00:44:12 pretty much. Yep. That will be dropping here. Hopefully fall or December will be called a music that you can dive into. Our first album was cat island because we have a king sized bed and we do most of our practicing recording in the basement,

00:44:32 which is like a bedroom is we have like a whole level. The whole basement level is like our master suite with like a laundry room and junk and, and an office in closet. So yeah. So we normally just have our gear setup right in our master bedroom and practice there. And like we have three cats so we hang out and launch out there too. And they do too. And we're like Scad island. Let's hang out. And Cat Island for the category. What you called your bed though? For the longest time though, like when I met you, you just take you to cat island. But it was funny too because when we started out you were playing on the Ukulele and I had this little miniature casio keyboard and we just $10. Nice. We'd be sitting in bed late at night doing things that we weren't supposed to and watching TV and make it sound so naughty kind of. We were, we're having respirations.

00:45:35 So then like we start jamming out bull refreshmints, right? Yeah, yeah. Oh, oh. And then we'd start jamming out. I just like grab the keyboard and I'd be like, dude, you. And he'd pick that Ukulele up and start messing around and they told you to get a looper pedal too because I, I mean I'm big into looper pedals and looping. What uh, what looper pedals do you like? I will. So she has the looper pedal that I wish I had, but I can't afford it. Is the electronics 45,000 lumens. How do you like that one? I love it. I've played with one of those before and I was like, this is way too fucking complicated. Wish there was more tracks. I don't feel like it's complicated enough to know what you need fucking Ableton. I kinda actually like when we started the band I told her no computers, like let's do this all analog and now that she's wanting to try to do. Yeah, we don't perform with any computers. It's all analog pedals, pedals there. There's a analog pedals and what not. But I mean there's no computer. You don't loop. We do loop, we do. I mean, that's a computer. Well, no, no, that's still analog. It's not, it's digital. They're all digital. Let's, let's, let's agree to disagree on that. As long as there's no computer involved on it for my sake, I call that analog, but that's just me. Well, all of my

00:47:01 oops or live play loops. Uh, I live play them. They've been laid out and then each track is ended or individual instruments. Um, and so I'll live, play those loops as I go and adjust and play on top of it. And then sitting on top of it that he does guitar and Bass. Yeah.

00:47:20 My, my, my other, the lubricant I have, I have a ditto x for those things are awesome. I like that a lot. We do a lot of crazy like fades. We started out with a little boss one. There wasn't a little one. I think the first one you had was the, like the red, the red 20 double pedal. That one was nice. That one was, that one was good. I know we used that for about a year and then we upgraded into the 45,000 because we ran out of space on that loop and we, uh, I definitely, we've definitely had our gear. Cool. And, and we definitely, I definitely realized that Dad, I'd say definitely a lot and uh, we're definitely probably going to have to get a new amp because amp typically show last night.

00:48:07 Oh Dang. So, you know, I know what your record sounds like. I have, I haven't, other than your looper pedals, I have no idea what your life set up is. Like what?

00:48:18 So I have my giant pedalboard. It's like, I don't know what it's like three, four. Oh, three, three and a half feet by two and a half. Three by two and a half feet with like a. yeah, just filled to the brim and pedals. Uh, we were using a peavey like 15 inch, like bass keyboard, vocal amp or whatnot. Um, and then like I have a Dan electrodes oil her day and Electric Guitar, then her a Jaguar base, and then she has, I have a nord lead to an, a Microkorg, the 45,000 looper with a foot pedal. And then I use a boss v Twenty for your vocals and Holy Grail, the Holy Grail, Electra Harmonics, holy grail effect for her vocals to fuck with guitar pedals for vocals or different type of sound manipulation. What's The v Twenty, the boss, what does that as process or processor? So it allows me, allows me to custom fine tune, like my leveling reverb and different social wines, mostly to, to like create harmony.

00:49:34 Nice. Kind of, I, I like to do a layer and it's very similar and I recording. Um, we will do a layer the vocals but will manipulate them by a couple of seconds of each other. Sure, sure. So then it creates a really natural reverb that's kind of like, it swallows you. Um, so I really liked that. That's kind of like my signature thing that I've done for years. Nice. Um, so I wanted to create that in a live atmosphere as well to have the reverb. So no matter what situation that you're in, it's almost like you're going back in time and you're listening to a cassette or you're listening to something from the past. So it creates some sort of resonating home sensation to you.

00:50:17 Interesting. Okay. Cool. Okay. So you're playing a guitar bass? Yes. Yes. Okay. And then you're playing keys and singing? Yep. Yeah,

00:50:28 she, she makes the drums on or keyboards to make everything on the keyboard. Nice. Um, I make the drums on there sometimes. A lot of times the baselines, multiple keyboard parts, um, there's a lot of training. Everything herself. I have one track that I have vocals on now I want, I want, ideally I'd like to more a 45 thousands to play with live. That way I could have multi, some more multitracks for instrumentation, but I could also have four individuals just for vocal effects that I can utilize

00:51:05 throughout the songs, which is let's just get a 16 track fueled recorder and just have all the files saved on there and you just pull them up and then. So that's, that'll be nice.

00:51:15 Need to do something like that. I don't know. Uh, I just, I feel like I need more. I'm always hungry for space and that's why I've been telling her like, oh, maybe we should get the, the laptop, our good that able to now and whatnot. And it's like, no. Have you played with Ableton before? I have a little bit, but I don't know. I don't know if I could do that. And for me like I think it was like the house shows and things like that. Like most musicians and I'm not trying to be a jerk, but mostly musicians never really gave a shit about anybody that would whip out a computer to play a show. They'd be like. I don't understand that stigma. That's, that's, that's like Edm music. And I'm like, I don't want to be that guy. Like I don't want to be that guy where they're like, you don't have any real skill, you just playing tracks off a computer. Fuck you. So I've always kind of wanted to do it the hard way. Because you could use ableton and and still live loop stuff. Yeah. You can. Yeah.

00:52:15 Friend who taught me how to do that, I didn't want to like, he uses like he's, he uh, yeah, he's using like an audio interface with his laptop. He has an Ableton, like launchpad. He has two native instruments, machine launchpads, chaos later all sync up together. Then he has a guitar and a bass and like yeah, he'll live play stuff and whatnot and just like have the, like you'll make the drums on the, the machine and then loop that bus. Other Guitar. Just do live recording and stuff like that. And

00:52:48 I've showed her that but she still, she still doesn't, doesn't want to do that computer. I don't know. What do you record on? Like what? Like a Thailand. Why did you choose to use pro tools? 12. Nice, Nice. And she's logic, logic pro. Yeah. Cool. Um, I grew up on acid pro. Oh yeah. I grew up on, on diversity, um, fruity loops or fruity loops though. Yup. Loops. I tried that for a little bit and I, I liked it a lot. It was good for what it was, but for different things like I really like sound. I want to get

00:53:26 back into that a little bit more. Um, I would like to be able to do that more in my music, um, where you can fuck with your listener, but via frequencies and things like that, uh, I think psychological manipulation with music is a very powerful thing. Like, I don't have control of the world by any means, but I want to be able to sway you and make you feel differently because of a way that something crescendos or assembles reversed at the right time. Something like that.

00:54:00 Cool.

00:54:01 We had a lot of hot dogs yesterday. It was a,

00:54:07 it was awesome. Damn dogs, sled dogs. We had chili dogs. So that's what we call them. These are sled dogs. Well, I was also saying that just because my other band, because your sludge on them dogs. Yup.

00:54:23 It was quite a variety out there. That was good in terms of bands. Oh yeah.

00:54:29 Oh Man. A strap hanger. That was. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Their 20th year reunion and it's like, I know, like I think I've heard of the name right, but never listened to music and then I was just like, oh Jesus, this is good. It's really good. I asked them if they ever want to play a show down in Sioux falls and they're just like, well we would, but I live in Chicago, the drummer or lives in Kalamazoo and the bass player lives here. It's like, oh, well shit.

00:55:01 Yeah. You never need geography in school until you're in a band because it causes separation. Death in a band is

00:55:10 geography, but uh, there's a couple of cool, uh, you know, that, that scene of punk rock bands from, from North Dakota strap hanger. Then the other one is called the, the Bismarck and they all live out in like Seattle or Washington area. It's funny because there's a band in Seattle that calls themselves Sioux falls and they, they like, I don't to think they even knew about the city Sioux Falls, South Dakota or something like that, like the God brought out to them about it. I think like somebody from Sioux falls found them and they were just like, Hey, do you want to come play a show in Sioux falls? Nice. There was an Arizona band name, North Dakota for a while. I know, I know. Crab legs. Oh sure. No, those guys. Um, and I've heard of past the flask. Um, and so you and we're playing with those guys and I had the crab legs as well for us and then pass the flask because before my other band. Nice.

00:56:11 So yeah,

00:56:14 she'd be good music. Fun Times. Party rock. We hear good to hear good things about my neck and uh, the music scene, but it's funner. I hear that

00:56:24 a, it's a built on a foundation of crusty punks.

00:56:28 It is, yeah, totally. It's built on. It's built on a few different things, you know, that's one of them for sure. Um, but it's, I mean it's also built on, I would say it's also built on a foundation of like a crew of like Cedar Geeks too. Um, so there's a few different sides of. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, it is. It's really, might not, has always been like, I mean going back to like the eighties, it's always been like a really cool place for some random reason and it was like, I don't know why

00:57:06 Jeremy from Ohio was saying to you because I was asking him stuff about like the music scene in North Dakota is like up here for that kind of shit to do because there's, it seems like there's nothing to do. And I'm like, everybody agrees there's nothing to do. The same thing in South Dakota too though. Yeah. Like if you're not, well we're kind of spoiled and. Yeah. Well yeah, if you don't like, if you don't live in Sioux falls, it's like, it's like, okay,

00:57:32 so I'm going to go to mount rushmore, gonna, go out to the middle of nowhere and drink a bunch of beer, aren't going to go out to middle of nowhere and do a bunch of drugs

00:57:43 and that's about it for our fishing or hunting, camping, hunting, hiking, golfing. If you don't want to get skin cancer. Yeah, I'm Kinda, I like, I like, I like walking and hiking. I don't care. I don't care about seeing them. Some dead presidents on a, on a rock, no stolen from native American

00:58:10 place. It's the worst. It's definitely getting better around North Dakota though. I mean Bismarck, we have like rhythm records and I don't know that much about Fargo Morehead. I mean they have like

00:58:24 new direction towards that. Um, and I've been hearing some something about the aquarium. The aquarium is awesome. Yeah. Yeah. But uh, like other than that, yeah.

00:58:34 I mean like I don't really know of any record shops or whatnot up there.

00:58:40 Like, yeah, I don't know. I haven't heard much other than the, the three venues I remember hearing about those, but totally, no, it's definitely kind of a hunt and peck and dig deep in to your networking of musician friends to find out venues for sure. And in the Midwest I think it's exceptionally the midwest just because like there's a lot of random spots and places that you'd never think there's a hub for music and um, yeah, that's Kinda Nice. Like vermilion was like two spots kind of right across the street from there. There's a couple spots in vermilion will. Sorry I interrupted you. You know, you're good. Go ahead. Well I'll get. So they'll do that. She was talking about our pizza. It's a pizza shop and then my genes, which is a sports bar, but they do like to have vans going to play there a lot.

00:59:36 Then there's like the varsity pub. Um, and then I have heard rumors that three occasionally there's occasionally a house show that pops up here and there. So that's nice. Like Sioux city has pretty good stuff. Um, it drops down into Omaha and Lincoln, but like for the most part, once you get past Sioux falls, there's nothing until you guys really till we get up to North Dakota for like, there's, yeah, there's, there's brookings and watertown, but brookings, brookings is a college town. But yeah, they don't really like there's a couple bars or bands could play up, but most of those bands are just your regular covered bar band and whatnot. Watertown. Yeah. No, nothing really too much going on. There's like one place they're never. Dean apparently has been kinda like something that's been bubbling up over there, but that's still like, uh, like when you drive up on 29 to head up towards a Fargo and whatnot.

01:00:37 When you, when you take the exit for Aberdeen, you still have to drive like an hour, hour and a half west. So it's not like right along the strip there. So yeah, there really isn't much between Sioux falls in Fargo the same way Sioux falls to wrap it though for the most part. Like you might be something. I've been Mitchell maybe plain rapid over. We did TEDX. Oh, that's okay. That's what I want to play out there again. And uh, the Gal that organized the Tedx thing, her husband, yeah, I got an invite to that minor brewing company festival thing that they got nice. They have a, they want to be doing a music festival out there every year in August. Oh cool. And so I think this is their first year. Yeah, first or second year of trying it this year. Um, and I think that's August 25th, so hopefully something will go with that and then we'll go out there and next year for that. Cool. How far have you toured? This is the farthest farthest for, for, for, for, for my other band articles, uh, the farthest I think we were gone was a Janesville, Wisconsin. Nice.

01:01:51 Cool. Cool.

01:01:54 Yeah, I'm not, I'm not a Newbie to this riding around saying have you need to be up and moving and like on the road again by 9:00 in the morning, most of the time I could leave a place at like noon and still make it, make it to the venue and have like four or five hours to sit there. Right. So yeah, a lot, a lot of time to talk and a lot of time to uh, listen to stuff that you haven't thought about. Oh yeah. We make a joke. Jokes about towns. Um, North Dakota right now is a Christine, more like pregnant at 16.

01:02:40 The best one that I think I came up with was when we were going out to rapid city and rapid city, one of the rapidly declining economy.

01:02:51 Nice play. We play some road games. We both discovered that we wanted to listen to the first two albums of system of a down yesterday on the. No, it was good. It goes into every single, every single song banger Banger banger. They were, they were a bad song on any of these. They're all great. It's amazing how your mind still remembers like lyrics to songs that you haven't heard in like five, 10 years. Right? Yeah. Wow. That's crazy. And he's all like, this is the only song where I can actually roll my tongue. I can't, I can't roll my tongue. Like do the roll your r's? Yeah, it, I can't do it right now. Like it's hard. I can't get it to do it, but if that song comes on, Oh, I got it right on it.

01:03:51 G of the music that just gets me to do it.

01:03:55 Either that or maybe like the word is a natural placement for that. Probably it's probably mold. Probably mold, mold. What is this? It's a running joke. It's a good way. We have a lot of inside jokes that we like to share. But um, she, she texted me one time,

01:04:14 I'm trying to say how much are the guitar strings that usually get for the guitar? And she actually said guitar stick.

01:04:24 I was a guitarist and then I was just like, you know, I think it's mold. It's like randomly said that

01:04:34 and then like, yeah, it's just like it's been a thing now where it was like I worked at Guitar Center and I've actually done this to a couple customers, customers that I know in there I'm buddies with, so I'd know that it's not going to be like something that the corporate would make would fire me for, but a guy comes in and he's like, Oh man, my guitars, my guitar's not doing this or doing that, and I look at him like, Oh man, that's probably mold. I had a guy bring in like some some software stuff. It's just like, dude, I'm having a hard time getting that, getting that installed on my computer. What years? Computer or it's like a 2016. All of that. It's definitely more the newer the computer. The or is this computer? You get a drop it down. Yeah, you gotta you gotta you gotta

01:05:18 get a computer from 74 or something like that. That's, that's mold free will freeze and 74 because they made them different. They were better back then or mold in the 17 years older. The oldest slowly gets out of it. I don't know.

01:05:33 No. How. I don't know what the science says. They're built. They're built with mold. When you open the computer up, that's all that's inside is mold. That's what it is. Fresh fresh moles because they used real mold spores back then. None of this manmade shit. Exactly. Synthetic mold. Yeah. Nobody likes synthetic. Mom grows in the wrong places. God don't get me started. Yeah. Uh, we like to be random and chaotic sometimes. Strange. He likes to randomly scream up blood lust sometimes.

01:06:09 Yeah. There's, yeah. There's this like, have you ever seen the, the, the Gore Burger show? No. I mean, you need to check that out too. So is it, is it Tj Miller show on adult swim? But like they got this guy and like this giant lake sued and whatnot, but he like took, takes over this Japanese talk show. Um, that's the premise of the actual TV show. But then he did an interview. The charactered Gore Burger did an interview on Conan O'brien's late night show. So like too late night guys are talking and whatnot and like, and like. So I heard that you ate half of your staff members. Why was that? He was just like, you know, health insurance was just so damn expensive. So I, I ate half of them so the other half could have health insurance and then he starts going off. It was just like. But I, I do occasionally I get blood lust and then like he just kinda like, they try to make this snappy thing and then there's like, no, you should just like screaming and just zoom in on it.

01:07:12 It's, I don't know, like it's weird. We watch a lot of weird stuff and a blue memes. Oh, we really like, I'm Dab. Okay, let me smash. Smash. Oh my God. We'll have to show you that. Uh, yeah, we were, we really liked that one. Um,

01:07:35 I don't know. Uh, Isabella Rossellini Green Porno. Oh yeah,

01:07:42 those are amazing. Yeah, totally. Oh wait. Oh yes. Now I know what you're talking about. The spider, I like to quote shit a lot and I will just be like, oh, go up to him and I'll grab them. And I'd be be like, I dig my for gene. And then I run away and he's like, what the fuck just happened? It'd be like, nevermind. I just wasted that on you. Yeah, you did.

01:08:09 Here's wasting your life with me. I'm trying to go. Wow. I gotta start somewhere. This is mindy's tagline. I'm going to quote that. I'm going to say that right now. So she doesn't get mad at me, but we're the happiest downers that you'll ever meet. That's beautiful. So, um, in, in passing, um, you brought up the meaninglessness of life. Yeah. Uh, can we, uh, you must speak on that. I liked, I liked talking to him about. I don't know, I, my whole belief like, okay, so, I mean I had this, I had this idea like a while ago where I was like in high school or maybe like a little bit after that, but it's like, okay, well first off, so like, look at this hat here. That's the color blue, right? Sure. How, how is it? How do I know that that's the, that is the same color that I see that you can also see it's just like we associate that color as blue and whatnot.

01:09:11 So these different perceptions on everything, like I've always like I've believed that the universe in itself is not actually this giant vast void that everybody claims it to be, but it's actually these bubbles that are surrounding us and it has just like a, like think of it as if you're like a virtual reality game and whatnot. There's these bubbles around you, but when you get close enough to a person, those bubbles can inter tangle and that's how you have like a shared collective of thoughts and ideas there. But yet it's all just like a visualization in our minds and everything is an illusion. Nothing's real and we're all going to fucking die. She thinks about that. That's the point of everything.

01:09:57 Yeah. The point of life is to die. That's, I mean, that's, that's it. That's like you, you just to sit back and enjoy the ride, you're going to die. That's, that's the point. Are you afraid of dying now? I've, I've, I've had a couple of near death experiences. I guess. So I'm just like, like I. Yes, it would suck to die. It will, it will stop unless I die in my sleep. It's gonna suck because you're going to shit yourself. That is tim sheets. Uh, I guess, I guess part of what I mean, and you can speak on the suit, but are you afraid of being dead? My afraid of being dead. I'm assuming though, because I also believe that, uh, the con, that consciousness and the spirit of one nod is actually a tangible, like a energy. Okay. So, I mean like if anything, that's the only thing that's real interesting is consciousness.

01:10:53 Interesting. It's like the old like that. If anything, I think that's the only thing that's real is this discussion to where does the soul lie? Oh yeah, we did. Most people, you know, it's like, oh, it's the heart, the heart. I think it's the brain. I think it's in the but yeah, I think it's the blood. It's the blood because we, there's a person, there's a person who has a bionic heart and like, and it pumps so perfectly that he has no pulse, but he. So he has no heart but he's alive. There are people who can have be braindead, still be alive and whatnot, but you take the blood away, you're done, you're dead.

01:11:31 Interesting. I would also kind of correlate to the psychological effects on heart patients if they have veins removed that to have different types of techniques done. Sometimes they say certain procedures when it comes to vascular systems can cause shifts and personalities and things along those lines where you're fucking up the blood system. Wow. Yeah. So

01:11:54 yeah, I mean, but we give it away freely. My blood. Awesome. Well guys like you, you can sharing our souls. Yeah. Well, but it's all. Okay. So yeah, there was this article I read that was talking about like the multiuniverse and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, totally. And uh, and saying how. Yeah, the soul and consciousness is a tangible form of energy that like you think about it this way. So, uh, we're, we're cable receiver boxes in our consciousness. Is the cable getting sent to it. So if you're in your house and the cable goes out, it doesn't mean it's gone forever. It just got redirected somewhere else. Same thing with power, like energy and whatnot because like a power outage can happen, but there's still like electricity to like your neighbor or whatnot. Just because the energy is getting redirected. When do you. What do you think is going to happen to that consciousness after you die?

01:12:48 I don't know what's going to happen. That's I, I don't. I don't think we're supposed to know that. Those kinds of things like, I don't know. You don't mean I don't know if there's a god I was raised, I was raised Lutheran and I don't know. I guess just because like how close Lutherans are to Catholics and whatnot. Like I do have that fear of like, Oh, if I don't believe in God I'm going to burn in hell or whatnot. So. But I mean at the same rate, I don't know. I don't know, but I just like, I don't like organized religion. I believe in God or whatnot, but I don't, I don't try to oppress it onto people and be like, oh, you need to believe in God. Like, no, and I don't believe in having to go to church and pain, putting money in that damn dish to help so that they can let the passenger can get like a Gucci suit or something like that.

01:13:37 I would say you were very openminded Christian. You were willing to explore many different paths and I think, but at the same results like, like we're humans, we're supposed to like experience things, so why not just do that like I believe in God, but uh, you know, I can, I'm still going to coach you and I do as long as I know that I'm not being a bad person. Right. That's the whole thing. And I think that's the basis was on most all religions though to even, even with satanism absolutely. The laws, the rules and seen as like, you don't, don't be, don't be a bad person to someone on less unless it is warranted

01:14:13 in. That seems like common sense. Like I think that's one thing that's lacking in society anymore. It's common sense, but I think, uh, just don't be a Dick Dick. You know? Mindy, are you afraid of dying a. no, but I will be mad if someone wakes me up. I'm not afraid of dying, but I will be mad if someone wakes me up in the morning side for years has been dead inside for years. Is the nicest way to put it. I don't know. It's a question that he asked me frequently.

01:14:53 Um, so, so what, what's coming up in low riding Mars future? Like you got this new full length coming in, like potentially fall 2018

01:15:06 winter of 2017 we're going to do, do the IEP, hopefully going to have it done. Yeah, by, by at least the, the end of the year and then were November. Nice. And then there's a two bands we're going to be doing the splits with. Yeah,

01:15:27 green alter was one of them that we talked about it. Then charges are closed. That band too. So you're doing a whole bunch of new.

01:15:33 Yeah. That's awesome. And then like once we do that, that's where we're going to Kinda see if we can change the gears around a little bit, see, see what we can create that's different from what we've been doing. It's not like they can get a little more technical and intricate with it and to get a little weirder, heavier, just Kinda, you know, just do it, do whatever. It's totally been a bad experience. Like we started with a little bit of gear and then we added a lot of gear and then we completely revamped and changed a bunch of things, especially on my setup for a while there I had like four different guitar effects pedals that I was using. Oh yeah. And you know, you had like a fuzz and an octave switch for your vocals and I took that out of the mix and I want to do more layering and like background noises and stuff that I can put in there and fills. I'm telling you, you gotta let me do some sense too. Yeah, she doesn't want to. She doesn't since he, he's risky and daring where I'm more methodical and just push the classical. I like to push the boundaries too. I especially like to. I love like I love Bass, like I'm a huge lower octave freak and he hates when I play his, uh, hateful. She grabbed his shoulder was your base, but like she'll, she'll grab her base and she'll, she'll turn my octave switching pedal

01:17:10 on, but go two octaves down on a base, so it's three octaves below what the tone of a guitar would be and have a fuzz on it and no, no offense mindy, but it sounds like a bag of parts and I'm like, fuck you. It's like, it's just because it's too loud. It's just. No, it's not because it's too loud. It's because it's so inaudible you're trying to make some sun. No, no. Yeah, you're totally doing that.

01:17:40 Both

01:17:44 technological drone record. That'd be good. Do some. Yeah. Here we go. We'll switch roles. I can totally do some drone keyboards. Just turn that. Sustain all the way up. Great. Good. Are you, are you going to do. I'm like material, like next we're going to try next year is we're going to try to do some touring. I mean like with her having the Kiddo, whatnot, like it's a little bit. It's a little bit difficult for that, but we're going to try to do as much as we can for that. Um, lemons, they actually asked us if they wanted us to join them for a summer tour and whatnot. And since I've gone on tour with the articles, I'm going to try to help them, like with some booking, some shows and whatnot to alter, wants to do some stuff with us, whether it be. I think that should probably be this winter, that might be the sucks.

01:18:40 It sucks doing tours in the wintertime, but I mean we're from the Midwest. We could totally do. It doesn't bother us. We're too, because like midwest venues I think sometimes are even more popular in the wintertime and they are in the summertime because like everybody in the dogs out in the summertime doing shit and like, oh, there's always so much stuff going on too. During the summertime, like, well someone, uh, the owner of black hills vinyl made made a good point on this. Like they, they're most busiest time of the year for them as a venue is winter time because, because of the fact that during the summertime there's so much going on that when people show up, there's like maybe, maybe like eight to 10 people there at the show. Whereas wintertime there was nothing going on. So then they have like 30 to 40 people there. Yup. So I, you know, I mean, I, I've never tried to see what that's like. Like Sioux falls is similar to that total drag like kinda slows down though during the winter time. They kind of like in the middle of winter and then they also taper off, uh, right after spring spring they have, it's always like our spring hits like that. The last week of January shit starts taking off and then um, it goes solid till about April. No, March.

01:20:06 It starts tape. I would

01:20:08 say it goes, it starts tapering off in Maine. Then by like the second week of June, it's like for a while. Sure. Then there's a couple of weeks or you know, it's kind of whatever.

01:20:21 Well, I don't know. I think, I think one of the reasons why, like in like June or whatnot, we did a couple of shows that we had to use. Doug's, it was because there was just. Yeah, there was so much stuff going on though too. Oh yeah. I remember. I think the first show, the and Peter Played, we were competing with like three other shows going on, one of them, including one of them being Paul Mccartney thing and that we still had a good turnout, but I mean like, it wasn't like super great, but at the same way like, I don't know, I don't know. Me and me personally, I don't care if there's a lot of people, they're like, if I'm playing for like one person, I did, I played it, I played a show like that. I played a show out at the island rock island and it was literally me and Peter played for the band that opened up for us and the sound guy. And that was it. It

01:21:15 doesn't, it doesn't by any means. Um, and I've played in front of very large crowds too. Um, my other projects that I do, like I'm the lead and a prince tribute band called sister that started in, started in Sioux Falls, I'm a year and a half ago now, and we started it right before he passed away and it was weird like we were at a, David Bowie had just died and so like all the local musicians wanted to do a David bowie tribute show where everybody would just perform a David Bowie track. So we wanted to get in on that and we were working on something but we didn't have anything prepared in time. So we went anyway and it was really cool. And that's how we met a good friend of ours, Russ steadman, he was playing with Elsa Ray that night, um, and this new band called red leaves was supposed to be playing and they were like all like 40 year old veteran musicians that had been around forever.

01:22:16 And they started this band again and we were going to be playing a show, a fervor moths and red leaves were playing. So we wanted to see them and read. Louise was amazing. Russ and allison were amazing. Everybody else that played was super cool. We went outside for an intermission and uh, um, you over, mark and Jason were talking about how they wanted to start a prince tribute band and they were like, but I don't think any of us could hit those high notes. And Dan comes out to smoke a cigarette and mark goes, Hey dan, you know, any good female singers that could sing prints? And Dan looked around and I was kind of standing behind him. He goes, that girl right there. So they came over and we were chit chat and he's like, yeah, would you be interested in this? So yeah, and another izzy.

01:23:07 Uh, he was there too and heard them talking about that. And he's like, I'd like to get an on that. I play guitar but I haven't played in a couple of years, you know. And uh, so we didn't really think anything of it in like a week later I got a message saying like, Hey, let's do a practice this Saturday and see what we got. So it started out with six original members and we were just fucking around and we listened to what it sounded like and we were like, shit, that sounds really good. So then at our fullest capacity we're up to 17 members with strings and yeah, it got big. Don't forget the part that, like you guys were practicing as a band for like water caught like a couple of weeks. And then prince died. We had been practicing for a couple of weeks. Like we had no idea what was going to happen with it.

01:23:55 We just wanted to do it for fun and see if it was worthwhile to perform publicly. Um, so yeah, we had been practicing for a couple of weeks and then prince died and everybody was like, oh my God. And like my lead guitarist and that he also is the lead male vocalist in it. He, when he was younger, when he first started out has been almost cut a record with um, at Princess Studio. Nice. And he prints was, he had an interaction with prints that changed his life and he just like always, like that was his wow moment. And so like when that happened, somebody at the news station caught word of what we were doing in the tribute band and then he did like an interview with us and then the next thing I know it was like, okay, we're doing a, we're doing a tribute show at icon.

01:24:43 Like we can't let this pass up on his birthday or close to it. I think it was that. Yeah. So that was, that was icons record breaking a show that had the most people who've ever had their 800 whoa. He had 100 people come over for a local band. That's what we did, like a two and a half hour performance. We have a 15 minute break in between. Um, but like we went all out, like we decorated the shit out of that place all out of our own pockets. Uh, we collected, we collected so many stage props and different things built stuff. We made huge symbols and we bought thousands of feet of strings of pearls for our last show, uh, to decorate shit up. And we all got dressed up. We get pretty fancified our first year we got a limo and we had like a purple carpet and we just, we went all the way out.

01:25:42 That's awesome. Um, but yeah, it was intense because I had never played in front of anybody that large of a crowd before. And I remember like I was a little nervous so like I drank to pabst blue ribbon tallboys right before we were going to go onstage and I was all like, yeah, and I had two more in my hand and some water and I'm like, okay, I'm going to go set this on stage quick before we all go on. And I set my stuff down and I looked up and I saw the sea of people and I was like, holy fuck. So like it got my phone out and I like just like, took like a panoramic scan of it. And I was like, I don't want to forget this. This is ridiculous. So yeah, we've, I've played a couple of big things like that.

01:26:22 Um, we've played some pretty intimate things too, like white wall sessions. Very intimate. They are at, that's, it's a very intimate thing for sure. Defects affects million is another band that I'm in a place. Excellent. Sorry to skip around. That's defects really, really is Russ steadman on guitar and he makes the drum tracks off of his protools nine. Yeah. And he makes a shit ton of music and it's so good. The Dude has probably at least 20 to 30 albums out since the eighties and it's all digital release stuff. He's got it up on bandcamp and stuff and he's just like super awesome. He's kind of a downer, like me, like always kind of has like a negative outlook on the world but still trying to be cool, you know, somewhat optimistic. So you don't just want to kill yourself and um, so we get along really well. But like, so I was playing berry sax and it's very like, it's very avant garde, kind of weird. Sometimes punky and chaotic industrial base kind of synth pop stuff. Fuck. Are touched by. What was that one song? I don't remember. There was one that made you cry all the time. Oh yeah, there was one like every, every time I would play it with him, it would fucking make me cry. It didn't, it didn't matter. I'd be like playing the saxophone and just bawling. I'm like a kid.

01:27:53 But he wrote um, what was that? When he did solo that was about fuck Ted nugent or something. We were at his show and he was doing it solo and it was fucking hilarious because it came out of nowhere and everybody just lost their shit. The one like, just like, just before he did that, he was like, Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall. Those, the total drug benefits show Mr. Yeah, he's, he's awesome. Bx. So like venues and stuff like kind of hopped all over. Sorry. We're kind of like a roundabout talking. That's awesome. We'll give you 30 different ideas and one conversation. I should, I should let you go here in a second, but is there anything else that you want to touch on before and your sweaters? Drink plenty of water brought to you by roasted. I'm look for a music. You can die for her music out on facebook and on spotify.

01:29:02 Itunes. Bandcamp. Yeah. Low riding moths. All one word. Yep. Don't forget that because people are interested in articles. Music. It is articles without the, the, if you like, some heavy, heavy sludge music or if you just want to be like, what the fuck is that guy playing on? He plays some pretty, uh, interesting. Some guitars, some really weird, weird fucking.

01:29:33 Mostly you're prepared guitar. Everybody's like, what the fuck is it? Prepared Guitar. And he's like, well what's in your guitar?

01:29:42 Oh yeah. Some screws, screws. Nice. A lot of weird Janky guitars. The guitars name is Janky. No. Yeah, the, the, the prepared one is the Janky. Yeah. Then I got my piece of shit. Which is the court, the strata Paul Strategy. It's a strategy guides. Lez Paul wired like a stratocaster. Nice. So Paul.

01:30:13 Hello.

01:30:16 I can't think of anything else. Well thank you Gorgonzola.

01:30:21 Thanks for coming. Kevin Doula. That kills moths lab Doula. Yes. We, we, you know, like 11 Doula or bug spray when we applied for your why knotfest and asked if we had any special needs or allergies, bug spray or loving doula kills Mavs. That's awesome. Uh, well yeah. Thanks. Thanks for, thanks so much for having us.

01:30:49 Yeah,

01:30:50 it was a hoot. I had no idea about your podcast or anything that you were doing until like you had contacted us and I was like Holy Shit, what is this? So then I was digging around and looking up stuff that you've done and I was like, this is fricking awesome. Cool. So I'm really glad that you exist in your. You're doing this. Thank you. That's very sweet of you. Yeah, cause it's, it's cool. Especially like, I dunno, like in the Dakotas, like there's a lot of, it's either flatlands or river hills and it's few and far in between. So unless you've got somewhere with, it's dumped a lot of coolness. There's nothing. Yeah. So to have a little shining stars out there and then nothing. That's great. Yeah,

01:31:34 yeah, yeah, yeah