#45 Chairea

I mean, we’re this band now, and we were that band six years ago — six years down the road, who knows what it’s gonna be.
— Michael

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Chairea is Michael Mckelligott, Eric Tuten, Austin Dykstra, and Connor Lachenbruch. The band is from Bozeman, MT. You can find their music on Bandcamp and Spotify.

This episode was recorded in Minot, ND during the weekend of Why Not Fest 8 in 2017.

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The following is a rush transcript made by a computer. It's exceptionally bad. Sorry!

Yeah, Lacroix is like the perfect, like 2017, like hipster drink. It's so good. It's just like exploded all of a sudden, like everybody's loving lacroix. I hate it for that reason, but at the same time I don't want it to go anywhere. I embrace it for that reason, you know? Yep. For sure. The club sell singles now, which is like, I'm just going to go with just like picking my six back's nice effects. Twenty four packs. Definitely get all the flavor. That's really good. That's awesome. Um, okay. So thank you for coming. Thank you for having us and hanging out. Interviewed before. Nice. Weird. It is what it is. Stoked sometimes and also just thanks for uh, thanks for being patient with me. Of course I was a up way too late last night so I was trying to move things back a little bit. 

You played yesterday, is that right? Yeah. Okay. Okay. And then I'm, I'm trying to think of where you at Second Joseph's house? No, we ended up camping. Oh, campground. Outside of town? Yeah. Okay. It was cool. Cool. Cool. That's sweet. Yeah, I'm a okay. Before we go any farther, we should, I should probably have all of you introduce yourselves so we can. So people listening cannot tell voices apart, you know what I mean? Totally. I'm eric. Do you want to say a name but then like also like your role in the band and stuff? I'm Eric and I play guitar. 

I play guitar and singing lead vocals. I'm conner. I play drums. Nice. You look familiar to you? I, yeah. I don't know why I don't. That's it. That's all I have to say about that. You just see like the nuclear navy, we've run into each other as possible. And you're from Bozeman? Bozeman, yeah. Okay. Alright. And Are you all from, from Bozeman or did you move there recently or? I'm from Helena originally, which is like an hour away. Nice. Same. Okay. Um, I was a military brat growing up growing up, so I moved to Montana, um, my junior year of high school and that's where I met these guys. We all went to high school together, um, and started playing and then we all moved to Bozeman pretty much for school. And then we've picked up Boston not too long ago. Um, and yeah, that's been it like last five years or something in Bozeman, I guess we should say for, for people listening. We have, we have to, we have two other humans in the room. Not On, not on Mike, which is, they're not. We've told them not to speak. Austin cannot speak. And uh, my girlfriend and Kimmy, Kimmy, Kimmy, trying to sleep. I think she's got a complete box spring given there. 

Um, okay. Cool. So you're from Bozeman, Bozeman area. Um, you said you moved out there for school? There's a college in Montana State University, so I don't know, shared about like Montana things. So forgive me. No worries. Um, I, there's a few, few of those. Sounds like it mixed up too, like billions. Billions is not bozeman. Those are two different places. There's a lot of B, b cities. 

Dana Bozeman, billings, and you bw boulder. Yep. 

Tana? Yeah. Interesting. That's actually where we went to high school. Oh really? Okay. Cool. Cool. Um, uh, yeah, I'm trying to get that straight. But billions like, you know, Richard drive fest, we billions. That's, that's right. That's where we played there Friday night. Oh, nice. I love that. That, that, that's still going on. I played there in like 2014. Oh really? Yeah. Were you with airline? Uh, no. I'm okay because that might've been why I was thinking like maybe I had seen you in 2014 and that could have been while you were familiar, but I guess not. You weren't. You were in that. We'll never know. We'll never know. I Dunno, I dunno. Mutual friends on facebook. I hope by the end of this we've figured it out. Do I look familiar? Familiar to. No, no, no. I think it's just my brain fuckin with me. That's fine. I would prefer it if we had just really briefly cross paths. I'd like a carnival or something, you know, being fucking wicked like you were getting at. What are all the carnivals who'd been to in the last few years? 

Well, I'm a pretty avid carnival. That's a lie. I'm not. That would've been a good light to just like roll with podcasts. Lies can be a pretty fun stuff. Well, I love like lying to people's faces in small ways about stuff like that. Yeah, it can be great now that there's like there's A. Yeah, there's a record and everyone's gonna know that you're a liar and I don't want to be known as a ally or I don't want to be proven to be alive. You know what I mean? I don't want to be like that guy. I know him. He doesn't fucking like carnivals. That's awesome. Uh, are, are you touring around right now? Like, other than like a couple of little just, just kind of like coming out here and. 

Yeah, yeah, we just had dry fast and then we're also able to get on to the mind not one and happened to work out and similar weekends and then we go home and we have a show at our house on Tuesday. We got to be back for a nice. We're having mono body from Chicago out there interested in the basement, so it should be a good time. Nice. Nice. You do shows at your place? Yep. Oh yeah. What's up with that? Yeah, the five of us actually all live together. We go together. Cool. Sounds Fun. Yeah. Connor sets up a lot of shows in Bozeman and so we kind of opened up the basement as a venue because all ages shit, like venues in Bozeman, there are quite a few. Um, but it's cool to have the house scene to going on I think, um, because like one really awesome place just shut down. It was called the White House. Um, and so now we're able 

to kind of divert some shows over to our house and it's a good time. Cool. 

Cool. Um, 

cool. So you're, you're kind of just like doing a, doing a couple of little festivals and chilling and stuff, just having, having ourselves a nice little weekend of it. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Yeah, me too. Except that I've felt like barfing for the last day and a half. Yeah, that's my life. You guys have been a band for like kind of a while though, right? I mean by deceptively long time. Yeah, deceptively long time. Yeah. So I mean, what's up with that? Well, there was a deception. I just don't think like, even in Bozeman, a lot of people well, but know that we're a band now would have, would know that we were a band when we started, like in 2013 or whatever. We just did like a two good years of like, uh, having no impact in like one specific very small bar in Bozeman. Oh, nice. Just interesting. What bar? Uh, it's called the Hofbrau we still play shows there all the time. Okay. 

Huh. Um, 

and did you record come out because you have, if I'm recalling correctly, you have a record and a split? Yep. Currently are. Yep, exactly. You can do your record. Came out in 2015 or 16? 15. I think so. Um, do you guys say Portmanteau or port man? Uh, is it a different way to pronounce that? I always get fucked up before I say Portmanteau more than two is the second, correct? Yeah. Hell yeah. And we're gonna do, we're gonna um, support that record with the portmantour. Exactly. It gets old. I Dunno, I'm pretty into that. 

Um, cool. Okay. So you've been playing for like, like four years. Nice. Nice. Yeah. It's probably been like this version of the band, like two and a half or three. Okay. Yeah. What was, what were the other versions? Genre and basis. So Austin is our probably seventh bassists went on through. We've had like friends turnover rate. Oh my God. People hate us. Basis. Your band. Screw this band and it's okay. It's cherry. Oh right. Yeah, exactly. Nice. I'm chair area support. Manto of chair area. Are you serious? We're the worst. Worst. The end. That's beautiful. That's what it is. Why the fuck did you pick that name again? What inspired that? I'm not saying, 

I'm not saying it's a bad name. I like the name but why? I can't recall exactly, but when we were an acoustic band playing in an apartment, I sank into this recliner and I just gotten just gotten to college and I just started experimenting with marijuana and that is where that name came from in my chest area and right before that because the band was a week old at that point. It was late nights and bar fights and that one we cannot agree on with your band name for a week. Yes. Say that one more time. Late nights and bar fights a bad name. It's a really bad. It was before my time. That was a record as governor was not in the band I defined. We were an acoustic band with an egg shaker, a gym bay and like three acoustic guitars and wow. Now we're this. So yeah, we, we've transitioned. There's been many iterations of area and within the last two years I think we're finally comfortable in her own skin to play around and tell people about it. Holy Crap. That is quite a transformation. It's we've all grown together. Yeah. We technically have two more eps that are out that will never be talked about after this 

interview. Ever again. Probably. 

Yeah. Are you talking about we. So we put out an all acoustic eep once that we recorded in my apartment. In kitchen. 

Yeah. These are on your bandcamp, Ortho or. No, they took them down. I think they might be. I think I switched him to private like six months ago. Yeah, so if you were on there before they were on there. Yeah, yeah, we, we've changed a little bit since then. So you actually have recordings with the gem bay. Not with the Gym Bay. Thank God because I got it. So the, when they were, when they were babies, I just love, I just loved the fact that you like, you were like this Hippie, like weed smoking gem and, and now you're like just midwest emo like right. You know? Yup. All the way. Definitely. It's weird. I have called her to thank for that. Probably like condos, but it's impossible. That was your name? Stoney. If somehow got you got you went towards the midwest email route and you got higher. Yeah, that's what you're saying? Yeah. Okay. Nice. But, so they were doing like the gym based stuff when my senior year of high school when they were here or in Bozeman and they, when I came up for school I like, I played drums so we recorded all of the other instruments first in his apartment and then I recorded drums over that. Um, and did not put any gym bay on it. I think it is an acoustic bass though. Okay. Can Upright or a no, like you can't fire 

base camp there. That's pretty cool though. 

Yeah, I think you should put that back up on your bandcamp link. So let's just print copies. I still have one day to do you say limited release vinyl. Oh, everybody's going to want 1:25 copies. Nice. Let's cut. Yeah, I'm going to just release it on the band camp one day a year, but it's going to be a different day every year. That'd be good. And also not announce it. You just have to be there on the right device. Yeah. The people that are statistically on our band camp probably everyday we'll find out about it. I'll just rss subscribe so I can get it in my google reader. Anyway. Uh, so you started playing as a band and then 2013. Were you. This is kind of a free for all because there's so many of us, but like were you playing in other bands like prevent, like when did you like each kinda like get started? Like playing acoustics in champagne isn't sure. Sure. 

Um, well meet connor and our friend cleanse. We're in a three piece in high school together. Then that was kind of our first real bands. I'm trying to like do stuff. Um, and yeah, I guess from there, like Eric and I were roommates in the dorms and we'd play guitar and then he just like inevitably was a part of the band when we started because we were all hanging out together. Nice. And then connor moved up and then like we went through so many bass players because, you know, like so many commitments were just like not able to happen. People in college moving away was 

your worst bass player? Um, I have an immediate answer but probably can't say it. Can you tell me just the reasons why they were so bad? I just don't think that he got our songs really at all. I think he was just like a much different bass player than we are a band and we only play for us. It was fine. 

Yeah. We needed to stand in immediately and he was willing to learn songs and it was great. And then after that, be like sweet. Thank you very much. A this sounds. That sounds fine. Not a horror story. Yeah. And I think it kind of worked out because one guy wanted back in the band after he had quit and then that other guy didn't show up to practice or bailed or something. So it Kinda worked out. We were able to like sure siphoned. Okay. 

Um, okay. So you were in, you were in a three piece with another friend of yours. Exactly what an old bass player of. Yeah. Oh, next area for a limited amount of time also. Okay. Okay. It's pretty, it's pretty treacherous. The history of area. I liked treacherous history, you know. Um. What, what, so what, what kind of music was the three ps? It was like a straight pop band. It was so bad. Interesting. Define pop. Um, it was like a, it was like the worst ringo songs. It's pretty. That's pretty specific. Like which ones are the worst to you? Oh, I don't really. I'm not even like that well versed. I'm just imagining like with the Beatles or like Ringo Solo, not I like, I don't even know well enough to say that specifically. I'm saying like just a song Rinko in general. No, I'm just saying it's kind of like vaguely Beatles ipad, but like it's a song that Ringo wouldn't even submit to, to the Beatles set up. So like a like way worse than like Octopus's garden. Yeah, definitely. Okay. 

What kind of. You weren't singing lyrics like that though, I'm assuming. What kind of, what kind of stuff were you like writing about? Just dumb highschool shit. Just, you know, relationships and nice. I remember something about being bitten by an angry poodle. Something I made up and I thought was a clever throw it in there. We didn't do a really bad ass Britney spears giver though once I did it again, like full distortion and that was really fun and yeah. Nice. Ironic or ernest? Totally earnest. Once we hammered it out it was like, no, this is our best song, so we're going to save this for the very end. People are gonna dig it. Yeah. I would love to hear that. I can probably send that to you. I wouldn't. That would be great. I think we recorded it. We definitely put it on legally A. Yeah, if you send me that file, I'll cut it down to like a, a, a very short section so that it would be illegal for me to, you know, under fair use rights to like air it under like a certain amount of copyright. And so if you do send me that file it goes right here and if you don't I'm just going to leave that silence. So I definitely prefer it that way. Amazing. 

Awe, that's sweet. Cool. Brittany spears, I'd forgotten about that. That's like almost 10 years old now. That was probably like eight years ago. Yeah, that's disgusting to think of. Wow. 16. Yeah. Nice. What were some of your early influences like? Brittany spears was a big early influence, huge jumble. Womba, Kersey, k jumble lumber. I kind of. Cool. Actually. Dude, I ain't got, it was so independent. One buzzy killer. They're like super anarchist. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I had no idea. Like for real, like a very like, I mean like that. What's that fucking song? I get knocked down, 

blah, blah, blah. I mean it's about, it's about like, um, you know, labor and like working, working class shit there enough. Yeah. I really liked the one that's like a squatter isn't shit like anarchist. Squatters and shift. Yeah. Yeah. Go back and listen to their like early shit. It's fucking amazing. That band. Wow. Okay. Anyway, I'm proud to have them as an influence then. Nice. S okay. Is that, is that serious trouble? One of them, wasn't it an influence? I just didn't listen to any good music as a kid is, but that was the worst shit that you listened to. Kid Rock. Okay. Listen to a lot of kid. Okay. Yeah, no, I know a lot of their songs. It's pretty embarrassing. There's like a full album that I'm sure I still know. Front to back every word. Nice. Yeah. Nice. That's, that's my, that's my guilty pleasure. 

What, when, when was the point that like you guys realized you wanted to like play music and be abandoned? Shit never happened. You just always have. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Ever since I've done connor, he's been pretty adamant wanting to do music. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Like to have somebody so dedicated and like just kind of fall into that and almost followed his lead in a lot of ways. Nice. Yeah, and the after first year of college I was pretty over it. And just like wanting to throw it all and just like do music, like fuck, Oh, do music or music for what college was like an exercise science major. And so we got to take a year off, like we did some music for awhile. 

I ended up going back to school and just like, just getting that over with. And so now we kind of have this law were like we're little free to just kind of go out and about and be able to play shows and stuff and you know, at least while it lasts, you know, we're going to do it as hard as we can, you know, even if like it gets harder later on the road like it does for everybody, you know, people grow up like I'm sure we're still going to be playing shows as regularly as possible. Close to keep. I mean where this band now and we were that band six years ago, like six years down the road. Who knows what it's going to. Sure, sure. So Connor, you've, uh, you've like always kind of just wanting to be in, in bands and shit. Yeah, 

totally. Like when I was a little little kid, I would like draw, like musicians wanted to start a band, flyers and shit and like never finished them and never put them up. But I would do that all the time. That's really cute. We're like, where did that drive or like, like fascination with making music come from? Uh, I don't really know. 


I remember like probably the earliest memory I have of like wanting to do something like that. I was like, I used to go, um, my grandparents lived like one house over from us when I was growing up. Yeah. And so I'd go over to their house a lot during the day, like when my parents weren't home from work yet. Um, and we were watching 

some, like my grandma loves like country, like old country music. And it was like, I think like the Johnny cash and June show or whatever it was, uh, some, just some guests that they had play a song on there. It's like, oh, I really want a guitar. And then like a couple months later they got me like this tiny little like Walmart Guitar. Nice. That was like always out of tune. Yeah, of course. Cool. Cool. Yeah. That it helps have like family around you, like being like, yeah, you should do this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely my, yeah. I've always had. I'm super cool support in that way. Nice. Nice people talking. I hope they find that battery. 


do you want, do you want to talk about? Um, well, okay. So I would love to hear about like kind of how, how you guys like write songs. Um, I would love to hear about like um, like what recording has been like for you, you know, I don't know if. Totally all very frustrating. Very frustrating. Part of it is usually pretty stunning. The songwriting and recording it. Yeah. I'd like the songwriting because like I used to read a lot of terrible songs and the thirty three cent bet. So now I try and be really meticulous about terrible how uh, just like either to poppy, like the words, like no thought put into them. I'm very structured, very typical generic structure, you know, trying to break away from learning how to write songs. Yes, definitely. Um, so yeah, like it takes me, it takes a really long time to write. 

I think sometimes it's like we'll sit there and we'll just like all play something randomly and it's like, okay, sweet, let's hold onto that idea. Like a, it's really hard to collaborate writing songs sometimes. Like sometimes I'll just kind of take something and just like boss the whole structure out. No, read any words and then show it to these guys and then we'll play through it and these guys will all right parts to it and then we'll come together and then hopefully by then I usually have some sort of melody, at least in my head because we played it a bunch of times and then kind of write the words last. Oh, interesting. That's where a lot of inputs really nice because I'm not the best lyric writer. Um, but like our song not too late, like connor just kind of gave me the lyrics one day and like we just sat down and just wrote the whole song. 

And so like sometimes songs just like come out of that sometimes like I have this starting with the lyrics and starting with the lyrics and writing around that, like that was weird, but it was cool because that's like still one of my favorite songs that we play. Yeah. That's kind of the only time we've done that. Sure. So it usually starts like you'll write out like a whole, like guitar thing. Yeah, totally. And then like kind of just like build on top of that. Pretty much. Yes. Try and separate things if we can. Um, hello. Yeah, it's fun. I, it's just, it takes way too long to do sometimes, you know, I'm like I have this one idea, one idea that I've been playing with really for like last month, um, and just like trying to try and mix it up, try and like we've been playing a lot in d, you know, I'm trying to get out of deep, kind of just like dropping a, like open d, everything becomes a deep which is cool. 

Like we have a lot of cool songs and I have like 100 ideas in that. But it's like, ah, I don't want to just stick a cape on sometimes, you know, sometimes they'll want to just totally change it up. Um, and so just trying to get away from what we keep doing, like trying not to keep every song sounding the same. Um, because like a lot of bands that I like, they eventually get into that groove where it's like, you know, like I love Manchester Orchestra death, but like orchestra record sounds a lot like Manchester Orchestra record and write exactly. Like I just, I like getting away from that. Like you don't want to get too stuck into sound. Yeah. I don't want to get too comfortable. Nice. Yeah, I like being uncomfortable. Right. It's fun. Definitely. I try and make people uncomfortable in general so it works, really know, but it just happens. 

So I say I tried just works nice. Um, so you're, uh, your songwriting process. Okay. So it starts with guitar. People kind of had their own parts and then, and then usually is like finishing point pretty much like we'll all come together and we'll play it. And like there's usually one or two weird parts and we'll just kind of hammer on those and work on those and then just practice it a bunch and then usually we'll get it tight enough to where even if there is still some like weird parts, like it'll kind of, it'll sound complete and then that's great. Cool. We'll kind of accept that and it's fun. And then it's just kind of like fine tuning it over like shows period of time you deliver, like fight about like certain parts of being one way or the other? No, not really, no. 

Um, it's definitely like, there are times where I'm like, that should be a little shorter or like we should just cut off that last beat there. Things like that. We never fight about it. It's either like he doesn't like it or he guys like it and then. Right, right. Yeah. Well listen to the same music pretty much. So like we all kind of know we're pretty much going for it and stop. Okay. Nice. Think at a certain point. Nice. Um, so writing is frustrating, but do you like him? Oh yeah. Yeah. It's like that, I don't know, like sometimes you write us like, just get an idea because like, I hate trying to force it out, but sometimes it just happens and you just like play something and he was like, yeah, and that's all you think about for like the next, like three or four days until you can find out how he had to it. 

So once you get going, it's like, I think my favorite part of the whole process is writing a song. Then it's discovery and like, oh yeah, right. It's like, it's like all the music's already out there, like it's already all been played but like just like finding it, you know, finding the new thing to link together. Just the coolest part. Cool. Um, what, what are you, what are you singing about? Like lyrically, like what kind of, what kind of stuff? I mean you kind of expressed that you used to be frustrated at the way that you, the lyrics that you used to seeing in other bands and stuff. Sure. Um, yeah, I've, cause I'm really bad at listening to lyrics. Like everyone I talked to, it seems like when they hear a new song for the first time they listened to the lyrics, but like a lot of my favorite songs I still don't even know the words to like I, I really listened to the instruments and so I really focused on the instrumentation and then when it comes to writing lyrics, like I just want to like, I like words that sound cool together and a lot of the time chair in the area. 

Right, exactly. Um, or like cool phrases that are just fun to say. Um, gosh, but like, can you give me an example of that? 

Um, probably, um, 

let's see. Like the second verse of our Song Free Butter world. I'm free butter world, but yeah, not to be mixed up with butterfree worlds. And those are two very different worlds. Let's see. How does that even go? 


when I can align quite what I remember. What thoughts are coming next? Absolve myself of all relevant fears. Let's make it clear that I'm saving face in second place is more in less than where I thought I'd be by now. It's all degrading ever over. It's times like these I have to lapse because making really hard decisions. Huh? Okay. Yes. So it's like, I dunno, it's like each phrase is almost like its own thought and then like a lot of times I'll just start and write a full verse and like, okay, what the fuck am I writing about? And then try and like, keep on that. Yeah, that idea. Yeah. Huh. Huh. I would say he writes kind of like a, like a little bit like rappy just like there's a lot of like internal rhyme scheme but not a ton. Not a ton of like ABB. 

Yeah, like mine rhymes. Uh, yeah, I'd say so. Definitely like A. Yeah. I don't feel like songs have to run, but like if you have like interline rhymes, like I think that's a really cool thing I'm like really fun to play with. And like enunciations you're like different times. Yeah. That sound like sound and rhythm. Like I like the sound of words more than I like my own words, you know, like I like how they sounded more sure that last line, making, making hard decisions. Making really hard decisions sometimes get to the best of me. Yeah, it gets the best of me. Okay. And then it says it leaves me sore right after that. What's a word that come from just a kind of figuring out. I mean we're all in our like early to mid twenties right now and it's just like, it's a pretty weird time to be like, you know, there's like this pressure to go to school and get a job and then there's this pressure of like, oh, but like, no, he should do what you want to do. But then it's like, but can you survive doing what you want to do? And so am I, my girlfriend 

a year ago she decided to move to Oregon. What to be with her friends maybe get in state residency. So there was like a pressure to leave Montana and there still is. Um, just because like there's only, it feels like so much you can do living in rural places. Sure. Living in rural North Dakota is like that. That pressure is like everybody has that feeling of isolation. Just. Yeah. And like, got to get out of here eventually. Exactly. I think, I think, uh, you know, because of, because of the scene like a up here in, in my, not especially like there's a little bit, there's certain pockets of, you know, people being actually really happy here, you know what I mean? But like, yeah, that, like that feeling of like gotta get the Fuck Outta here is definitely. Exactly. Yeah. Um, so it's like deciding when and where is like, you know, I'm like afraid of that, you know, I'm afraid to like make a wrong step somewhere. 

Totally. You know, you're afraid of failure. The. Oh yeah. Big Fear for sure. What was, uh, one of the Times you failed really bad? Uh, sports my whole life really? Yep. Definitely was never good at sports, but like I always tried and people always commended me for that at least. So it was that. I think failure is pretty cool. Yeah, it is. I feel like my whole life has been just like one failure after another. It's definitely, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you have the feeling that. Definitely. I, I, uh, I almost finished college. Yeah. Nice. I went twice, nice, dropped out twice. So I have like, almost enough credits to. I'm probably like 20 credits short of like having a degree, but I don't have like relevant credit, you know, but like, who cares, you know what I mean? It's Shit's fucked up. Life is weird. 

Yeah. Cool. 

Failure. Yeah. It's all bad, man. Yeah, life is all bad. That will be the tagline for this episode is all bad scenario. If I can leave any with one thing it will be. It's all bad man. Just pick the right bad stuff. Yeah, that's pretty well it sounds like. Yep. Pick the right bad stuff. 


yeah. I mean you were talking about Pr, like pressure to like do what you want to, you know, definitely. It's a weird paradox because it's like, um, I mean I feel that way about like a lot of the, pretty much all of the like creative things that I do. It's like 


I will repeatedly have this feeling of like I just want to burn all this fucking down and walk away and pretend it never existed. Like, 

go live in the desert and die, you know, like get old and just go, like hiking and fall down a canyon. You know what I mean? Oh yeah. That was like, fuck all this. Yeah. Does, does being in a band like, feel pointless? Do you ever? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Tell me about that. Uh, I'm in like seven bands. What the fuck? I'm like, it's literally all that I do. I work in. I'm a Korean restaurant that puts on shows interesting. Like my buddy Ross and his wife Emma owned this restaurant. Mls Russ have shows at the restaurant because he just like, likes, like also cares about having all ages shows in Bozeman. He was, if you ask me, he was the first person to like really put in an effort towards Bozeman's all ages seen. Oh cool. Which is pretty. What's his name? Ross Franklin. Okay, cool. 

Whistle pig. Korean is the restaurant. Cool. That's great. Uh, that's pretty rare. Like a restaurant having shows like that's not too common to have two of our, like three all ages spots or restaurants. Yeah, there's a weird, um, this dude Chris from our friend's band, Panther car, um, works at this Taco shop called Taco Montes and they let him have shows as a promo for the restaurant. Nice. Yeah. Nice. That's pretty cool too. Like the admission is like five bucks and like also gets you a Taco. You like pay and you get a Taco out of it. That's fucking good. It's pretty good idea. Nice. Uh, okay. But pointlessness though, right? That's where we got going. So I'm like, I built my whole life around just like being in bands and like setting up shows for other bands and it's like literally all that I do is like have band practices for these seven bands and then nothing changes and I'm just like, this is all, what is this for? 

What is this doing? Like we're all still just playing to the same like seven friends. Totally. And like, no one's listening to our songs. Yeah, I don't know, it, it, uh, it's hard for anything not to feel pointless if you look at it hard enough. Oh yeah. I mean, life is completely meaningless as far as I'm concerned. Yeah. Um, but uh, like if you could found that feeling of pointlessness with like what you're doing and like seeing wise and stuff, like what could change that would make it feel not pointless. I don't know if anything could change. I would love if like people I would love for people that I don't know or like know of by seeing them, you know what I mean? Like those people that you just kind of see on facebook but don't really know. Yeah. I would love if 

like people beyond that, um, we're like coming to shows or like, yeah, like I, I wish that there was a way we could like 

just find all of the people who like wish there were shows in Bozeman and show them that there are shows in both. Totally. Totally. I think one of the hardest things for me like playing music and like also like tutoring and stuff. It's just like this overwhelming feeling of like, it seems like people really don't give a fuck about art, you know? Especially in Bozeman, I feel like, I mean probably not especially compared to like anywhere else, but like of the Montana towns for sure. Bozeman is just so overwhelmingly about the party. Oh really? Yeah. Like they don't care if you're playing all covers or original as long as they can dance to it and get fucked up. Interesting. Yeah. Okay. Whereas if you go to Missoula, you'll see like people that are there a lot of times, like when I've been to shows there, there's people there that aren't necessarily. They're just to drink and they're there for to see the show. It seems like. Nice. That's good to hear. At least a Montana comparison between those two towns. I'm really biased because I had a very, very bad experience in Missoula. So 

to happen to you who also had bad. It really is definitely. What happened to you in Missoula? Let's hear yours first. Uh, it's not really that exciting. Just a couple of shows we've played. I've just been like either like, just, like not very well attended. Um, I'm trying to think of a specific show. Oh, I did lock the keys in the van, that might be spoiling my nice time, but either like, just like not very well attended or um, sort of like a, I don't wanna say like a weird vibe in the room, but kind of like this weird Portland vibe sometimes I get vibe. Yeah. And maybe this is just my experience also in Portland, but Portland definitely has a vibe sometimes. That's just a, I've got to make sure everyone else likes it before I like it kind of thing, you know, like seeing bands, like people looking around the room like everyone else into this email or something. Interesting. Okay. Yeah. But then to kind of latch onto things which is like, it's fine, it's cool, you know, it's whatever. And not every show is like that. Not all the people are like, that could have just been the select people that happened to be there at one time, you know, to make an experience. Weird. Let's might be kind of your story about Ms Dot. Where did, where did you guys play? Do you remember? I'm not going to say that's fair. That's fine. Um, 

we're supposed to play one thing and then we got there and they were like, no, actually you're not playing this. And then we were playing a house and it was really weird. Um, but, um, I feel bad that like, this is my experience because I know like, I know people who live in Missoula who were like, awesome, you know, and like, but, um, but like, uh, but like, and like, I mean, uh, um, and so we had to hand a but like there are like there's a time and place for trigger warnings at, that's what it was. And I think I didn't really understand myself well enough to know that like, that would like make me feel like super, super uncomfortable. I'm like getting stressed even like talking about it, but as we're playing in this guy like a that's super fucked up, um, um, and uh, and uh, uh, and, and uh, um, um, and then um, so, um, and I'm absolutely fucking terrifying. 

That is so scary. I'm like, and uh, um, show of. Yeah. So that's my missoula experienced, something like that. And terrifying. So like our worst missoula experiences, like, oh, that was a little uncomfortable. And then Michael left him. We just sat out there looking like this. So Ms Dot was not usually like that, right? No, it's not. Can I ask you a question? Yeah. The mic stand that you have chosen as your weapon of choice. Boomer. Straight. Straight. Okay. Yeah, that's what I would go with do. Yeah, totally. But like with the, um, no, I don't know what we would've done if he had, if he had somehow come in a horrifying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For me the change is like fuck to arraign for awhile. Um, but yeah. Okay. So that's that. Um, do you have any good experiences with camp days as a blast? Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. I've heard that the bit that's really sad 

comes out from all over and that was a real. I mean we played like, we're like the third set, it's a play maybe and it was like really, really full of really good energy. Nice. Lot of Austin bands. I mean Missoula has a great music scene. There are a lot of people that are doing really, really cool things there. Um, so like anytime you get a chance to see, um, so some of those guys player, it's just like, it's going to be a good time. 

Nice girl. Nice. Definitely a cool. Okay. Do you want to talk about recording at all? Like what kind of, how do you, how do you guys record? Is there a studio that you go to or you didn't? Basement studio stuff? Diy. I'm a bit of both. Yeah. 

We recorded the split that we have in our basement. Nice. And the record we recorded at the studios in butte with everybody. Phil, who we. I mean he grew up in boulder also, so I've known him for a long time. Cool. Um, but I think we're either going to like try to find somewhere new or try to do it ourselves for some of the newer stuff that we're trying to record. Nice. Um, just to have more, like I think we really want to take our time with it and um, make it what we want it to be and it's Kinda hard to do that sometimes. It's hard to like express what we want it to sound like or how we want to do like the entire process of it. It's just easier I think to like do it in our basement and take our time with it and like we can literally do it at any time if we do it that way. Um, but mainly that I think just like the control aspect of it and being able to take our time with it and not have to rush through things because our previous studio experiences, um, it's super fun to record with Phil. But um, we've always tried to do it in a limited amount of time and because we have to make the drive over to butte. Oh sure, sure. Which isn't a long drive, but it's, it's, it's, it's long enough 

to relate, want to do it normally. Like take off all of us take off work and just go to butte. It's like one of us has to go back for work or something, so like we kinda can't just stay in Butte for a week. We have to like go to butte and then go back to Bozeman at night and then go to butte and it's so like a lot more exhausting. Sure. Because there's not, there's not really a studio in Bozeman that there are studios in Bozeman. Just not one that I would be interested in. Sure. You, we're not trying to pay like $400 an hour for like. I don't know if that's. Is that okay? I don't think so. I hope not. That's an exaggeration. But like 

we don't want to pay multiple. We'd want to pay a ton of money to. We just straight up can't. We can't. Yeah, that's the thing [inaudible]. But when we recorded the split, it was, it was pretty nice just to be able to go down there. Like we all happen to be in the same room right now, so let's go and try to get a couple takes. Totally. That's the nice thing about like just recording it, the house. 

Yeah, absolutely. Do you, do you do like full live takes or do you layer stuff or. Um, yeah, we did, um, all of us instrumentally together and then kept the drums and bass and then just kinda like overdubbed bass where it was weird and then read it and guitars over that. So went to Canada and then I uh, in places where it fit. I like kept the initial recording guitars just as a double. Oh cool. Cool. Cool. Yeah. Carla went to school for Music Tech and data gathered. I didn't finish that degree though. Okay. Where'd you go to Montana state. 

Okay, cool. Cool. Um, 

how, how was that other than not finishing it? Uh, it was fine. It was a, it was a music technology degree, so not like an engineering degree, which is why I stopped going is what's, it's just like way broader. Like you don't really focus on anything. It's like here's some like electronic art music that you were never interested in before and like think is cool for awhile, but like it isn't for you now you have to make this for projects and like interested in it. There wasn't a whole lot of like, um, like I took two recording classes and that's okay. And that's it. Yeah, that seems pretty limited. Yeah, it was, um, they focus, I don't know at that degree I think just gives you a lot more stuff with a little, with way less depth. Sure. Than I would have liked. I would have liked like a specific, like recording and engineering 

path that totally like way more in depth. Totally. Um, 

do you think you might pursue that or like getting it more into like, running sounder? Anything you've said? Uh, yeah, I might, I don't know if I'll ever like go take any classes for it or anything like that, but I definitely am looking to get to like continue working at it and cool, like getting better at it and stuff. I've been doing live sound at shows around Bozeman a lot more lately. Again. Nice. 

Cool. Yeah, yeah, that's good. Shit. 

Nice. So you, you'll probably keep just like diy. Yeah, I mean to be determined I think. Sure. But for now I think that's the plan. Yeah. So do you have a recording? So yeah, it's just like a little, uh, 12 slash 16 channel task, um, interface. Nice. Like, um, uh, into a computer or just solid state. Yeah. Into my computer. Nice. 

Cool. Cool. Um, 

gets the job done. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Tascam is awesome. I do a lot of cassette tape recording. Oh yeah. I have a, a, like a really old tascam like 16 channel cassette console that I haven't gotten up and running yet. Nice. Yeah, I uh, I'm always like, when people are doing like diy recording, 

it's like analog is like the fucking best. Yeah. Yeah. I think 

yeah, I like just like noisy, gross sounding recordings of like really cool songs. Totally like 


yeah. And there's like all sorts of different like diy, like tape recording, uh, examples of things being like fucking great, like the best threat releases 

their first demo tape, you know, like. Yeah, because it's just a fucking real surreal and it's like, it sounds so much better than they're like studio shit because it's just like distorted and like fucking balls to the wall or you know, even even like now like um, you know, Mac Demarco, like just recording on like a, like a track reel to reel again is his bedroom and it's like, you know, and like it explode, you know, it's like this huge thing. But yeah, love a tape. That's fine. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Um, so what's, uh, what's your future like for this band? A yet to be determined or you were like, are you working on, when did the split came out pretty recently or was that 2016? Um, it was this year. Right. So I think it's the spring, like March or April? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. 

So yeah we got, we got an APP we're working on. Um, okay, cool. We're gonna keep hacking at until we kind of get the sound that we've been looking for. I feel like everything that we've recorded thus far, I've just kind of like slightly missed the Mark A. Little bit too. Where like what the, like what it should sound like to us. I'm sure everybody feels that way about their own stuff when they record it and I'm willing to accept that a little bit, but like I was like a bar that I want to hit 'em with the recording and so really focused on the CP while we're focusing on the EAP. Hopefully write an entire album and then really, really try and a bust out a tour sometime next summer. Like pretty good size one and have the epe and like be recording the album. Cool. Well I think would be best case scenario 

where. Where are you thinking about going? 

We've done the west the bunch. I'd love to go east if we could. I'd love to stop through nice or maybe even make it a dry fest. Why not? And then just keep going or something a year from now. Get all the way to the midwest and maybe the northeast like explore, find a place to move. One day we got to get out and see the places before. I think will actually decide on anywhere. But like Oregon school too. Like, I don't know, 

it'd be cool to do a full us one though. Yeah, I think. Yeah, the US is my next big goal. Yeah. Nice. Nice. Like just super long ass tour. Yeah. Cool. Totally cool. Um, how, how much, like, what's your, what's the biggest sewer that, that you've done in the, like in this band or other bands in April? We did one. That was definitely the longest any of us have ever done. Okay. Um, it was, I think like after the split came out, uh, yeah, yeah, it was for this split and we didn't have any copies of the split. We, Gosh, we left. Would they like, showed up at our house while we were in Arizona? Oh No. Uh, uh, 

yeah that sucked. But um, that was I think 17 days and 12 shows. 

Nice. Nice. Um, and now it was just like Montana, 

Idaho, Utah, Arizona, California to Seattle and back to Olympia and back. Nice. Nice. Yeah, that sounds good. That was a really fun time. Yeah, it was fun. We'd just got the van and we had like, like Austin had just finished, like fixing it up and like putting like a florin and everything and so it was like all right maiden voyage and like ran like a champ, like just like had no problems with it, so like I was really anxious going into it that something was going to screw up, but like it was just like one of the smoothest things like the smooth as it could have gone. Nice. So it's really fun. It's awesome. Yeah, love it when that works. Right. That's great. We stayed at like a, we got like free camping, like just south of the Grand Canyon, so we woke up in the morning and went into the park and it was free national park weekend. How is that? Like we didn't even have to pay to get in to see the Grand Canyon. It was, it was really cool. 

Um, yeah, grand canyons. Fucking amazing. It was fun. That's cool. Sweet. Yeah. I hope you do a full us tour. Yeah, that'd be awesome. I'd love to. Yeah. I guess 

try and bring some other Montana bands with us if we can. Yeah. I think the small town shows for some ended up turning into way more fun than the big city shows ever. Do you know? Yeah. Diy shows. 

I mean that's why I love coming here tonight. Might not. It's like it's just, it's a great vibe. It's so nice here. Yeah. Yeah. And like North Dakota, like, you know, there's, I feel like all of the cities have like a little bit of that, a little bit of that vibe. I mean why not has always wanted to explodes, but like, um, you know, we don't, you know, it's like Montana, like we don't have like a, uh, an overarching structure to support the music. So we just like, 

people come to stuff, you know? Yeah, totally. Yeah. Dude, we can try and get the bands that are traveling through just just like think about us, you know, stopped by. That's always a really good time. Yeah. That's what I've been doing lately is just like looking at bands to around somebody when you have a day off in between like Seattle in Minneapolis or something like. Sure. Just come stay at our house. Worst case scenario. You don't play you, you have a place to crash and I'll get you some nice vegan Korean food in the middle. Yeah. Just to like put it in people's heads that like Montana is a place you can 

do stuff. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Yeah. That's really, that's really hard actually. Let you guys go here in a second, but is there anything else you want to, you want to mention or any, anything I should have? I should have asked you that I didn't ask you. 

No, I don't think so. That I can think of how the. I had a very lovely time. Yeah, thanks for having us. Yeah. Thank you for coming. Definitely. Um, 

thanks for coming to mine up and I have to help the rest of your stay is fucking awesome. 

Thanks. Uh, yeah, hope to come back next year. Yeah, it would definitely be. Is a really fun trip. Cool. So cool. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you so much.