#41 Joe Davis and Justin Halverson of the Poetic Diaspora

So when you’re being radical, you’re really just trying to get to the roots of it all. Some things need to be uprooted; some things need to be more deeply rooted.
— Joe Davis


Joe Davis is the poet and songwriter behind The Poetic Diaspora. Justin Halverson is a multi-instrumentalist and the lead guitarist for the band. From Joe's website:

Joe Davis is a nationally touring writer, speaker, and performer based in Minneapolis, MN. He is the frontman of emerging soul, funk, and spoken word ensemble, The Poetic Diaspora, and the co-founder and Artistic Director of H-Cubed: Harrison, Healing, and Harmony, a monthly event series centered on healing through the arts. As a student and educator, he has served as teaching artist at dozens of high schools and universities and is currently the Artist-in-Residence at Luther Seminary, pursuing a masters in Theology of the Arts.

This episode was recorded in Minot, ND on August 13th, 2017.

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The following is a rush transcript made by a computer. It's delightfully bad.

00:00:00       Yeah, this is great example. You can't hear me at all. So it's. Yeah. 

00:00:10       Who does the same thing differently? 

00:00:40       He's really good at then. Yeah, man, he's. He's like one of the best that we ask for. I agree. We could just do that for an hour and a half to two and this is why joe brings me around to use that one. Just my guy in the knees. Super good. He's great. He's our bass player. Nice. Yeah, he'll be here tomorrow night. The rest of the squad in your guitar is leaning there and it's going to make me nervous that it's going to fall and break that. Hold it like you couldn't hold it. I mean you can, you don't have. You can set it somewhere, but if you're, if you're very attached to that instrument that you use to just love burn it for an hour. That's I do. He likes to converse inverse any plays as I do. My name is Justin. 

00:01:57       Thank you for coming. I know it's, you know, it's like a weird random thing and it's out of your way to just stop by at 11:00 AM on a Sunday morning and. Perfect. Yeah. No, I wouldn't say they can work invited. So yeah, I had to be. Yeah, this is great. Excellent. I'm glad to support mine. Not the art scene and everything. US collective. Nice. Thank you for the news. Spread the love. The good vibes out here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got a little Joe. Yeah, it feels good. It feels good to be here. A minute out my. That's the hometown you got. I always say, yeah. Yeah. I'm rockwell. My hometown homeys. Um, I grew up here. So what? I was supposed to come back next year of doing this one I like because we've never. Maybe maybe I've seen you around other show or something like, um, but we've never met. 

00:03:01       I didn't know you were coming until 20 minutes ago. I love surprises. I love doing this when I've like never met the people before. You know it because it's like I don't know what's going to happen. Right. You know what I mean? So like, I know absolutely nothing about you just said that you're a guitarist. Yup. And uh, Joe, I, all I know about you is like what? I know through your music and I was pretty sure you were from my. Not My notion. Yes. I was born and raised here. I moved to the twin cities after college I went to Michigan State University. Nice. And then I was actually in New York for a summer and then I moved to, she moved from the big apple to the little apple. OK. I'll move it out the twin cities for going on five years now. So yeah. Oh, the little apple to the Minneapolis A. I'm still waking up right there when she. Um. Cool. So you, you might not like born and raised my family was air-force air-force yeah. For when somebody is from mine out. That's usually my guess air force. We're using it for us is that they actually told me to never go into my own parents who are both in there for us to told me never to go into it. Really? Yeah. I mean, something like that 

00:04:28       for slot, a lot of different things, but I mean, for one, just like being black in America, uh, you know, I think he definitely gets treated differently, but then also in the air force 

00:04:40       we're anywhere but yeah, definitely in the air force 

00:04:44       and um, they just didn't have great experiences throughout. Like they, they definitely will give a lot of love or respect for the project. Worked with only their time, but ultimately they said that that's not where they wanted their kids to be. Some interesting. Wow. Would always tell my, my sister and I like don't do it properly. So yeah, for sure. That's just their story. It's different for other people. I'm sure you know, a lot of people all about it and I want to honor that, but I can speak for myself, my family and so it's, it's, you know, it's good to not always be a part of the military industrial complex that you can't, you know, you don't have to be pigeonholed into that for lack of better terms. Yeah. I mean, I sure feel that way. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I know that some folks feel that that is like the most viable option for them or like I get that honor that for, for me, like I'm grateful that that's not something that I had to and if there's any way they need to do, but if there's any way that we can mitigate the perpetuation of violence on a global scale, right, that would be really great. 

00:06:00       Or regional or local and that's kind of what we're about is like a crew as a band going beans back in to that. Right? Yeah. I mean like, uh, I think about like art and what my purpose on this planet is a lot and like reducing suffering is like a big thing for me. Absolutely. Totally. In your, in your, in your personal life and in your just uh, you know, I don't know in bigger picture stuff too, so yeah, it's like, like not eating animals. Exactly what it, that was in that journey to. Are you sure you identify as Vegan? Right? Yeah, yeah. I'm like, Oh, I'm still still flexing or still working. So I hear me. I gotta be completely honest. I'm a flexitarian. I do identify as making, you know, it's like no animal products that, you know, I um, I don't think there's sort of like a certain amount of gate-keeping around like vegetarian, Vegan because people use it as an identity, which is like, I mean it's a, you know, it's cool to use that as your identity, but like fuck the gatekeeping part, you can, like, you can eat cheese once a year and be like, yeah, I'm Vegan. 

00:07:19       Yeah. And if somebody said no, you're not, you, I, I feel like, I mean like it doesn't have to be perfect at my mom's house crash at my parent's place and my mom knows how to throw it out in the kitchen. So she's clearly not scrumptious stuff. Um, and you know, we're, we're trying a little bit here and there, like she knows that we both are staying away from me, but she still cooks. Was she, you know, so yeah. Like you, like you just said we're eating a few things here and there, but yes, it will, you know, the, it's, it's a spiritual journey ultimately. Yeah. Yeah, it is for me especially, I'm sure. Sure, sure, yeah, cause it's, you know, we're not, the energy around is really important for me, you know, the, the killing of animals and typically it's done in a great and you add on like climate change that is perpetuated by it and land use and so it's all these different things tied up into an industry around totally animals. Totally. She's like, I'm not even anti. I used to be like don't kill animals is horrible. But like, like, well, you know, I'm not totally against killing animals. I think about like my indigenous brothers and sisters who like, Yep, we're super, like it was like a sacred practice. Like when they would kill an animal, they would thank the animal for giving their life for them and utilize all of it and not waste any part of it but like you named the industry, 

00:08:56       you know, industrialization of it and how like we've done it in such inhumane ways and just slaughtering at like such rapid rates to supply the demand. And I think that's what it is for me. Yeah. Factory, factory, farm and like that was the real lick or like. Yeah. Uh, I mean I can't, I can't be that upset about like people hunting or even small scale ranching. It's, it's not for me, but like it's not the, if that's the only thing that was going on and meet was like this incredible luxury item that you ate like only a few times a year and it wasn't subsidized by the government on a massive scale. So it's so detrimental in so many ways. The government will just like, yeah, he just, yeah, because it's just this cultural thing that we accept and there's a lot of money to be made once it's subsidized and once you're feeding, this is pun intended. Once you're feeding the politicians, you know, they're, they're feeding back into the cycle, a cycle. It's a relationship that's just every, you know, you could see it with pharmaceuticals. You see it with the oil industry. Yeah. You see it with the meat and agriculture industry as well. And the only thing that's going to stop it as far as meat subsidies go is a Vegan tax revolt. So talking about, hey, how do we make it happen? 

00:10:27       This, Oh yeah, I know. 

00:10:43       You better look out just coming at you with Davis and the visa tax revolt. That's going to be our new band. A. Yeah. So you went to a state university, Wayne State University. Go beavers. Which you study? Uh, I studied English. Yeah. I was just telling Justin this early because we kept driving past the university rolling around mine now. I actually went in major in art. I'm cool because I had dreams of becoming a visual artist as well as the performing artists. Nice boy. Um, my experience was really whack. I had to sit in like a three hour class and draw skeletons and flowers and I was great. I don't want to do this for my academic career. I couldn't do it. So I switched to, to writing and I'm writing too, so yeah, that makes sense. That became a thing. It was already my thing, but that became what I majored in. So Nice. Yeah. Nice year. English via a humanities minor. Spanish concentration blow. 

00:11:54       So yeah, you're out of practice, right? Yeah. Proud more. I'm probably going to say. Yeah, I met. I actually, I'll just say again, I've met Joe when I was in school. Um, quite, um, yeah, it was college and I was, this was four years ago. Yeah. When we were doing, we were hitting up this place called the poet screw was groove and it's taken away forever ago. It was such a hot spot though. It was an open mic and this isn't Minnesota. Minneapolis, Minnesota. And it was the longest running open mic in the twin cities. Yeah. And my buddy a nios was hosted it. And what was cool about this, they called it the post group. Any but you didn't have to be a poet to perform, but it was cool because they had like this live band that was phenomenal made, made for some of the most talented musicians in the twin cities back you up with your poetry, with your songs, your dance or whatever you want to do. 

00:13:01       That was kind of like, you know, what made it, what made the vibe. So yeah. So we met there, just chopping it up around some of the things that we're chopping it up around right now, you know, was already on that tip, you know, talking about, you know, spiritual suffering and like spirituality. You'd hurt me. Performance poems. Yeah. Stage. I think we just talked even before I hopped on stage are just very kind, kind of just started talking. So it was pretty, yeah, it was shy at that time. I'm still shy, small. I'm, I think you less shy, less shy, shy, but come up and he's just very, very continent talking. And so we got on all these subjects and eventually we found out, found ourselves collaborating around our love of music. Both are super passionate about all of the face forward to your organization. 

00:14:01       So we had been connected and doing work with this thing. Yeah. So fast forward, uh, is um, it's like an artist collective of folks who are socially conscious and artists and so we would have regular meetings and like just kind of network and share info about like what's popping off in the twin cities, how we can be engaged in an activism. And in our other art events as well. And so we became active in that. And when did you two meet your 2000? Thirteen or two? Yeah. [inaudible]. Yeah. Yeah, we started, uh, going from there. I mean like, yeah, I started just bringing my acoustic guitar to things and then Joe would freestyle over it and yeah, he'd bring his words. I bring in my guitar and we'd come up with some pretty, pretty fire things phrase by phrase. Yeah. Yeah. Really just, uh, I guess, yeah, I would just say, you know, I, it's been so, it's not soft, but it's very welcoming. 

00:15:10       It's very healing, that kind of work that we've been doing. It's, yeah, that's kind of the feel is healing. And like one thing that I feel my music is meant to express. That would be one of the, one of the strongest thing that I think would be healing. Healing. Enjoy. Yeah. Joyful. Jolene, your um, your 2015 release a blog called a listening to that. Like I'm the primary, like word or theme to me is like celebration and just the whole thing. Yeah, I mean there, there are some like, um, deep moments where you look, um, you know, a horror in the face, you know what I mean, but, but it for throughout this celebration, which, yeah, 

00:16:06       I really, I really liked that. Yeah. No, I'm glad it makes it fun to listen to, you know, so I'm all about, I feel like that, that work of like celebrating ourselves in our communities when we live in a world that oftentimes doesn't want us to celebrate us. They're totally like, does violence against our bodies and it gets our identities. If we're able to be resilient and still experience joy, that's like an accomplished, powerful. It's worth celebrating. Yeah. Yeah. It's worth it. It's worth some poetry. It's worse than music for the show I'm showing you. I'm glad you were digging it. That's also shields into the stone. It's super good. Super up on there too. That's when we were, we weren't even in a band. Yeah. And um, the way that was birthed actually is I, I became a recipient of this grant, a nice called the Internet. 

00:17:03       The arch verb. Good for you. Spoke like the only spoken word grant to the twin cities and so it was cool that I got it, but it allowed me to produce this album in a really professional high quality way. So yeah. So we were a hospital. Sounds amazing. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. I, I'm like really indebted to Intermedia Arts. There's a, their organization who really give a lot to like grass roots movements and people of color or queer folks like marginalized folks in the twin cities. And so I really like grateful to the, um, for, for supporting my work and because of that and that was almost like a launchpad for a lot of this stuff that I'm doing now because they able to produce this Epi and then through the production of the um, got closer to a lot of my artist friends 

00:17:50       and we were kinda like stumbled into making this band. I always wanted to be part of a ban, but around that time, like a lot of what we were creating like coalesced and we became the poetic diaspora. So yeah, that's diaspora returns. Yeah. That sounds like a cool song title or a good album title. The diaspora returns like that. Do you have to put in parentheses five m's? It's interesting though, how we were kind of like these little like fireflies all over the place, you know, flying around in this nice back yard, river kind of bank area. Minneapolis, just kind of flying around general thing. And then Joe has this ability to um, bring us all it. I mean, I think all of us do have the ability as art and as people in the entire world, right? Some of us are gifted and bringing people together and I think both you and I are gifted at that and you've just done a very good job at being consistent. 

00:19:01       And so the consistency is in to this band that we're now touring nice smaller scale, like the small vibe right now. But the hope eventually, uh, you know, continue to, to tour the wider. So you, before, before we, before we get too far, I want to hear all the devil's right-hand man was a cause. I want to hear how, you know, I want to hear all that. But Justin, I, so I don't know anything about your back story. I want to get like a little bit like, are you from Minneapolis or I'm from the area, from area to area. I grew up where I grew up in prior Lake Minnesota. Um, which is, it's a, is that a suburb is a suburb, so the south direction stuff, a lake town. I'm in the southwest and um, it's about like 40 minutes out of Minneapolis and when I graduated high school I knew that I wanted to, um, so I was, I was involved in things like, um, choir and I was always deemed I was always pretty good at school and say OK, I can do a lot of things. 

00:20:20       But I knew the things that drove me to, that inspired me to, to play music was like the hope that I have for the world, you know, because I see things like climate change and indigenous, um, like the genocide, the just native American people. And it's like Dang, you know, I grew up in a community where mystic lake casino is, that's like the one source of income for these people. And it's like, it's hard to stand by and be blind to these injustices when you're, once you're woke. And so my journey has been, you know, I went to school, I went to Minneapolis, I'm at the University of Minnesota, I say music and astronomy and, and a sustainability. Oh, cool. And W at the University of Minnesota. Yeah. I'm in the twin cities. Yeah. One. When were you at the university? Um, would've been from 2011 to last year. 20 16. Nice. 

00:21:32       I was there in 2011. Really? Did you graduate that? Hell No. I was there for three semesters and then left, which I'm sure you're glad. Yeah. We talked briefly about. Oh, and student debt. Crippling student debt. That's one thing that's really stressful. Um, so yeah, school um, is focused on the positive, right? Where the, where the positive that now we're, I've got all this knowledge, right? I've got, I know how to play music. I know how to like grow food. I know how to uh, how can I. It works. And so for me now it's like I'm, I'm in a place in my life where I'm a musician. I have a partner and I, I believe that we're like, our role in the world is to challenge ourselves to do the projects that we want to do that are like beneficial or we see as really been thinking the world and each other and are friends and in growing the community and like really establishing like a family and a family on a radical family shouldn't radical as we've talked about. 

00:22:37       Right. Is, is rooted, right? It literally means the root, the word, the word radical, that it isn't the logical data because we think like radish. Exactly, exactly. Yep. That's part of it. That rat tails. Yup. Yup. Yup. That's awesome. Yeah. So when you're being radical, you're really just trying to get to the root of it all, you know, and that's what some things, some things need to be more deeply rooted. Nice. I love etymology. So I'm a word nerd was major course. It is a word nerd and, or, or word nerds who like music and I've, you know, it's, it's just been quite the journey of leading new adventures to really, um, teaching at school of rock to traveling to Jamaica. And then gi Joe's, mom is Jamaican. Cj, I had to go to Jamaica to sorta separate trips, different adventures we've compared our, in our life story pitches. Yeah. So yeah, my to make it, um, until I got the opportunity to go 

00:23:46       for the first time in my life, uh, last spring and best trip I've ever taken in my entire life. Like it was, it was transformative. Yeah. What'd you, what'd you learn? I mean, from the moment that I stepped foot off of the plane, I was like a wash with this sense of belonging. Like man, this is, this is home because I'd only heard stories about Jamaica for my mom as a kid growing up, but actually being there and seeing it for myself and like tasting it for myself, um, been able to like, touch, touch it, you know, wow, this is what she was talking about. And then like also being, I felt like welcomed as you know as well, just for me feeling welcoming the culture. I can't imagine what it'd be like for you and actually having in your blood. Right? Yeah. And that's what I was going to say is like not having a very strong connection with like my ancestry because I'm not able to trace it back so far. 

00:24:51       Like I showed my dad grew up in Chicago, a lot of his family grew up in Illinois area. And then my mom, her family as far back as we can trace. A lot of it is from Jamaica and she was, she was in Jamaica, so she was like eight years old. I moved to Queens, New York, so she hadn't been back in like 30 years. Uh, so we went back out to see her chart at home. Uh, we didn't do the touristy thing, so we've got to kind of go like by these dirt roads. Like one of my most memorable moments was we were sitting in the, in the, one of my cousins was driving a big truck and my dad and I sit in the bed of the truck, make in roads are no joke, no joke, sort of drive home the left side of the road. 

00:25:38       The roads are like I'm a lane and a half wide maybe, you know, compared to American rules and codes and especially if you're going uphill there, up some of the mountains. The switchbacks can be pretty scary because you look like you're going to fall over the edge. So that was, that was fun. But. So we're rolling around the dusty streets. Everyone's driving 60 miles. They drive with reckless abandon. Yeah. But what was cool to is like screw this lady was on the side of the road, like a little wooden kiosks like she may have made herself. She has this huge machete in her head and I said my cousin pulls over and he chops it up with it for a minute and he comes back with coconuts, coconut fresh coconuts from her and so she sliced them open for us. And then when this machete rails is huge, this elderly black woman chop shops open and then she likes slices a little thing on the side and she teaches us how to eat a coconut. Like not only do you know, you drink the milk and then she, the little piece, she cut off on the side, we broke off and used it as spoon 

00:26:44       to eat the coping, you know, just really good. So it was nothing like fresh fruit. I had freshmen every single day. I had fish every with almost every meal, like such an abundance of fish. Um, and it's, the music was everywhere I went. I love Reggae, I love Bob Marley. And so that was really special for me to experience that. But yeah, it's just something I carry with me and I told myself I was there for two weeks and while I was there I was like, I have to buy a house here even if it's just like a small place that I can come back and bring like my future family and know like I want, I want my kids to experience what I experienced and they have a deeper, stronger connection to those roots than I was able to have a new know until this point in time. 

00:27:31       So yeah. Yeah. That's beautiful or special to me. Yeah. Yeah man. I don't know, like how was your experiences? I know we've talked about a little bit too, but like you see, it was pretty powerful to me it was transformative as a musician as an. Oh sure. Yeah. And you know, like Joseph having the connection that reggae music was something that I remember the first time I had consciously listened to, like knowing that it was Bob Marley and the wailers yeah. Um, it was nearby my home on a driving on a highway that I drove all my rode in a car with my parents all the time. So I was [inaudible] and my brother burned me a CD of legend Bob Marley and the wailers legend, which is like the best selling album of all time. It's got like three little birds and rise up, get up, stand up Buffalo Soldier Redemption Song. 

00:28:24       Just listened to that last night too. So see somebody thought. Yeah. And uh, and being in Jamaica. So I remember that. And I remember how simple and powerful Bob Marley's words and message was and how he could just look at the, the soundscape of reggae music and the wailers the whalers created was just so magical to me. It's like, you know, there's all these things happening that it takes years of listening to really break it down. It seems so subtle and so simple. But it's complex. Say Subtle. Exactly. Yeah. Provided me, uh, I was taking, uh, I take a lot of lift because I travel a lot. I'm always all over the country. And so I was, one of my lyft drivers was listening to reggae and uh, I was really vibing with them. I was like, Yo, I love this. I love this song right here. 

00:29:15       He's like, yeah man. He's like, I'm reggae calms me down when I'm stressed out, whenever I'm anxious. And he's like, I just put it on and sues me. There's just something about your music, you know, what it was like, yeah, man, it was like a random lives driver, you know, saying it's like just the other day, you know, it's, it was something special about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there's actually the, I truly believe that [inaudible] acts is most music, but reggae accesses the, the universal truth of fractals are going in on itself basically like the microcosm is a reflection of the macrocosm. The macrocosm is reflection of micro. So you have like this rhythm to game 

00:29:58       and then the teeth, he breaking it down into threes. Right. That's good. That's bad. It's just the fab labs, they just to be cozy and it just feels he's got a balance. Like it's almost irresistible when you came. Just practical stuff like you can break down 

00:30:36       like it. There's a crazy swing in reggae music that you can't really put into words put it's, it's like a rubber band that's flexible. It's like a, um, it's something that, it's just like, it really bends time in a weird way when you're drumming down there. So when I was in Jamaica, I was drumming every day and um, I was down there to work with children in primary schools and so it was a really cool program called Jamaican field service project out of New York. And, uh, that, that I got to drum with some of their, the people are called maroons and descendants of freed slaves in the 17 hundreds from the Spanish empire on the Spaniards gave up Jamaica. They said, all right, screw it. We're given us up to [inaudible]. Britain wanted to like, attack and steal it basically. Yeah. So they freed all. They're like, sure, if you could just have it. 

00:31:36       But like, and so there's all this transactional, you know, bs that we're dealing with millennials. And so it's the fried fried, the people who are on this island from, you know, generally these slaves from west Africa. Um, and these people were so resilient that they went into the mountains and they fought off the British army. Um, and never were enslaved. Yeah. Wow. I learned recently that Jamaica, 300 years, three hand Haiti, and I think barry as well, are like three of the few places, uh, where, where folks of African descent have not had their cultural traditions disrupted, right? Because they're able to like remain sovereign. Um, Jamaica, Haiti. Think some places in Liberia as well. And there's a couple of the but very few places where like people African descent have been able to totally like had this little edge of like generational cultural practices. 

00:32:37       Yeah. It had been, you know, this is sort of extra sort of tangential, but like those kinds of histories, like I can't believe. I mean just the fact that uh, you know, growing up, um, you know, like white in an incredibly white place. Like you don't learn any of that shit. They don't teach you any shit. I remember, I remember being in middle school and having this just racist piece of Shit, you know, what is, what is the like Geo geography studies teacher talking about shit like that in like seventh grade, like talking about how stupid the Haitians were for like revolting and shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like all the lack of empathy or something, you know, or you know, looking at what can we say about successful revolt is. Yeah, stupid. That's amazing. It was amazing. It feels like it's a, it's a, maybe they're telling themselves a lie or try to justify some of the white supremacists. 

00:33:43       I think that's, yeah, that's like a cognitive dissonance. You gotta try to slowly, like teachers telling like, you know, like 13, 13, 14 year olds who don't meet, don't are like they get indicted and they accept it. They don't push back because they weren't taught to think critically. So yeah, that's what breaks my heart. I asked why I'm want to be a teacher, I am a teacher, but why I love to, you know, try to educate you through those cycles. Then it's the [inaudible]. We were just at an open mic last night. We're hosting nice classic rock café here in mind. Not really cool. Totally want a wonderful place and they are all great things. I would definitely recommend checking it every other Friday. They have open mic. So if anybody's interested in checking that out, if you go on facebook and go to our entertainment, which is rock [inaudible], but um, they, they're the ones who host open mic at classic rock [inaudible] every other Friday. 

00:34:58       Um, yeah, just, just follow that. You can get more information. So few players did. But yeah, we were just out there. We were just out there and I'm one of the, we were just talking about, um, oh, I was, I was writing the whole time and Joe commented and he's like, wow man, you're really inspired right now where you're writing about. And uh, I was like, dude, I'm so upset right now because all I want to do is I, like, I'd be happy and write about happy things, but I'm just like, so I feel like swamped in the different things that are going on, especially in like the 24 hour media cycle that are like really upsetting. And it's like so many people, so many of my friends when I'm upset about is how many friends and family are caught up in it because I don't. 

00:35:51       I'm really like, I am caught up in it but I'm not, I'm not turning on the television. I'm not watching, I'm not talking about it. One reason I try to intentionally like disengaged and I see, I see my family not. And it's like a very upsetting. Yeah. Gosh. So I, I was, I was just tearing up my notebook writing these, these poems and stuff. And for me that's like, I want to be at a place in the world where I don't have to feel like that, where I don't have the anger and anxiety to, to, to expel that just focused on, that's like, that's part of our responsibility though, you know, like as a paying attention to the all over the shit that's going on. So, you know, just, just knowing like what, what, uh, we cannot just like push it to the side. Yeah. 

00:36:47       Pretend it doesn't exist. Yeah. Yeah. So because it's a reality, it's hard to. It's hard to balance that. Like the uh, [inaudible] like paying attention to the news to too much can really, uh, hurt people's psyches and some ways depending on, depending on the person and like for people whose psyche is like, are not to disrupted by like paying attention. Like, yeah, I think we have a responsibility to like to know all of the, like the new horrific things that are happening, you know, I agree. I agree. Who, who's the one as horrific as it could be, right. You know? Yeah. Are sorry that that's not what I meant is tough as it can be. Yes, we should. Yeah, sure. There's the quote. I'm trying to remember who said it. It's, it's one of the quotes that stuck with me. He says to be well adjusted to [inaudible] society, um, isn't a good thing. 

00:37:51       I'm paraphrasing it. Ah, I've seen that quote a lot too. But um, as far as being like kind of what I'm, what I'm, what I'm thinking about as I hear you all talk is like, you know, folks who are like, well adjusted to like the illness, you know, how traumatic, you know, our world can be. Sometimes people are like, well adjusted to. It's not a good, like if you're getting pissed off, that's a good thing. Like just showing that you're resistant to what's happening. Yeah. OK, cool. My natural mental and spiritual immunity is effective at this means it means you're fighting back, pushing back. Don't ever become compliant with our yes. Don't become, don't, don't become confined to that. That would be by word of this has been my journey to never become compliant. Always be resisted to at least the stuff that's tried to take the lean system of patriarchy and toxic masculinity in and white supremacy. 

00:39:04       I think. Well you've been doing a good job at it. I've been doing a good job. We all got work to do. My thing is I think each one of us find ourselves in this system. We have to recognize our positions, positionality in it and the ways in which we have been complicit and then do the work. The lifelong work of like dismantling that within ourselves. That's like my whole philosophy and when you have people around you, your family, your community and then this is like how you can get that consistency. That's. Yeah. They hold you accountable. Right? With love and grace and compassion. So it's like I can do all this work to dismantle my patriarchy, like embedded in me. But if I'm like with this friend group and then another friend group and then another friend and then move and then I'm like, I'm just like not committing to like any people or whatever, which you know, there's different levels of that. 

00:40:00       Maybe you don't like any kind of. I don't know. I've, I've experimented with like not talking to anyone that hasn't worked out where yeah, maybe it works out for other people, but that's when that's when you grow, when you have people to kind of, like you said, holding you accountable or at least give you the vision of yourself. Kind of hold that mirror and say, oh, well here's different check points in which I've gotten better. Yeah. Where I'm at in my journey as far as like actually taking these ideals, thinking about them and then making the behavior change in my mind and my body in which it actually produces change in the world. Yeah. Met I think about how like when you heal yourself, you're healing the world. Continued over it and that's what I mean by the fractals in. There you go. Yes. I serious. How so? Well, connect the dots a little bit will follow you to have that quiet so it's hard as a musician for or just difficult for me to the the. I'll give you this analogy that you have to heal what exactly what joe just said. You have to heal within yourself first in order to heal the world. That's the only way you can do it, actually. Yeah, because we only perceive everything within our center. So you can't change anything, but you can't force anybody to change their consent. 

00:41:34       You're not gonna like make anybody do anything. You can only. You only have control over yourself in the grand scheme of things. Even in the smallest, like that's the reality. You can only change yourself. So if you're working on yourself doing that inner work that, that healing in, um, like the dismantling of all these oppressive and violent systems that were part of within yourself, then you can inspire others and you're also lessening that presence of, of, you know, the violence of the press in the world by like not being there, not being that. Exactly. So those are, for me, those are the only ways that you can really impact the world, like the revolution within yourself and then the inspiration and like doing it alongside others. So I know some people who've been pretty broken who have, uh, done some good have. Yeah. I have made a lot of influence on my life, at least would I guess. I don't think that people have to be like healed themselves. Like when I say healing, I mean at least like contributing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. True. True. Contributing in some way towards that. Like liberative movement. Like there's lots of broke 

00:42:51       I've broken through, right? I think we, yeah, yeah. Or well, I guess part of what I'm into, 

00:42:59       you know, people, people talking about healing, but there's like a, a, a pain factor in all that, but like the challenges people and just like think there's always some amount of pain and in growth charge, Natasha. OK. Fractals, 

00:43:20       how do I think I have a feeling 

00:43:23       of, of what 

00:43:24       you're saying? What's your interpretation? Yeah, I'm curious. I'm curious to hear. I've been. Well, I've been thinking about this, this, uh, 

00:43:33       I had this conversation with a friend of mine where we were talking about music and whether or not music is, I'm an intellectual, um, art, an intellectual thing like is our art forms intellectual, you know, in the same way that like reading, um, you know, philosophy is intellectual. For example, I mean, you know, there's all sorts of other, you know, obviously like sciences, very intellectual, but it's like art forums, intellectual is music intellectual. And I'm like firmly like, yes, it's intellectual like there, 

00:44:13       uh, 

00:44:15       there are things like there are high, high level, maybe sometimes unspeakable, but like, or inexplicable, um, but high level concepts that are being transferred to the audience through art forums. Absolutely very much wholeheartedly that the, you know, the average person might not be able to explain it. They can feel it if they taken the art form, they can feel this, this, like this intellectual concept going to save them feeling itself is the interact. Um, which is, I think it's really cool when something intellectual is wrapped up in emotions and feelings. It's like really cool thing. But um, you know, if I feel like if uh, if music wasn't intellectual, like we wouldn't have art critics, you know, like that's what they're taking the intellectual aspect of the art form or the music and turn it into, into something like that's their craft of turning this idea that's been transferred into something that's like explainable. 

00:45:22       So what, what I kind of hear you saying with the fractals thing and the like microcosm, I don't know that I, I fully grasped with like the in terms of fractal rate, but in terms of like microcosm and macrocosm and how they're like kind of this, uh, um, you know, like, um, you know, a mirror facing a mirror constantly reflecting itself. Uh, the, there's, there's something in the, like the, the triplet swing, uh, like that's the very micro level that um, it's like um, the elasticity of the music or something. Yeah, yeah. Uh, you're, you're making me think of like the whole phrase of the whole thing or you know, I'm talking to musical terms, but as far as like what you're saying that, that, that micro can be the t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t and then it rolls back into itself, right? 

00:46:22       Kind of folds back. And then you get like an entire song that creates a vibe for a lyft driver in. Exactly Atlanta who calms him down. Yeah. So there's, there's something like calming and like a healing about the, the music as a whole. And, and some of that is coming back to that, to that rhythm because there's something, there's something hypnotic about especially swung rhythms, you know, and um, I, I think, I mean, accessing our, like ancient instincts, I'm like, I think music is a great way to do that. And then yeah, there must be, there must be something. There's got, there's a reason that people have a reaction to the music and that way, you know what I mean, whatever kind of music you're listening to you, it's like this language that's been developed over a couple decades, you know, thinking about like recently about like heavy metal, you 

00:47:30       know, that's a whole other language. It's different music, different genres have different languages, right? That we can, that resonate with people differently depending on their story or their lineage. I provided me, I just got to share the story just real quickly. When I was in a home for elderly folks experiencing dementia, I was doing some work with these young folks out there and they were there. The purpose was to go sing songs to people experiencing dementia. And so we went there. We were singing some of these, like really like these old dry hymns. I wasn't really vibing with it but like some of the ladies were kind of filling it or whatever, but then I was like, Yo, let's put something more, more bumping and we turn it on Youtube. And we started listening to like really old songs that were before our time, um, like some Elvis Presley and stuff. 

00:48:23       And what was cool is this one black woman who was sitting in the corner who hadn't moved or said anything entire time, stood up to her feet and started like dancing really slowly and really, really suddenly, but she was like, just kind of like waving back and forth and dancing because the music, she, all these folks are experiencing dementia. So you have to realize like it was tapping into something like deep in her psyche and then she walks across the room. And so I'm here. I'm the, the only other black person in the room besides. I'm here with like, like a doesn't like white youth. She comes straight to me and grabs my hands. It starts to dance with me. And so afterwards I'm talking about the staff and they're like, I think he must've reminded her of someone in her life, like maybe her, her who knows, who knows who. 

00:49:15       Yeah. But it was just, wow, that was a key moment to me. And just, I think it's a testament to the power of music that she got up and started moving and she didn't speak. I don't know if she could even speak like, but yeah, it was amazing. I've heard, I've heard of that kind of thing before with elders being like very affected by music that they listened to when they were young. My trip in Jamaica, I was, I was the education part portion of like the 42 people that went in and then the other half for music, um, therapists and they were going into these different homes in Jamaica that, where people were experiencing addiction, dementia and like mental illness. Um, and the thing was, is that for years, the leader, Eric Wills of this, um, program had been doing this because of seeing all the different results, like your story job that are just like so incredible. And it happened on the trip like multiple times, like so much the effect that like right now, just five or with you on it. And uh, 

00:50:28       having that shared experience, I, I get goosebumps thinking about my friends and my colleagues work that was being done into makeup because some people weren't even responsive. Like these people just like bed ridden nothing. And then they start playing music that was recognizable to their era, like woke them mentally, immediately. And it was like, holy crap, I just brought someone to life. I just brought someone to life through music and vibration. Yeah, do I need to be doing this? That's why I'm an artist right there. That reason right there because of like waking people up from dementia. But because of the power, the power of that is in music and in art because it can enliven, it can store so it can move us in ways that few other things in my experience ever have. 

00:51:22       Agreed. Fives do badly show all the time. So yes, that's. I'm a hundred percent. That's why, why I'm here. That's why I've been doing this. That's why I, uh, working nine to 5:30 to 40. I still have a 30 day job. It was a morning job file, yet in the morning 5:00 AM, I forgot to get up. That really doesn't even matter what I do. It just matters that that's what I have to do right now. Until, until further notice. That's a long shift. It's just early variable. I can't complain. Too much trouble trying to support him into the transition of beautiful time artists. I was miraculously able to do it two years ago and so really [inaudible]. Yeah. Yeah. And so there's a lot of cool things that happened that year. I was working for an hour profit prior to that, doing a lot of youth work, community organizing and kind of stuff. 

00:52:30       And then um, my term was up and then I was already performing and touring even during that time turn by turn that serving the organization. And so when that, when that happened, I was like, OK, what's next? What's next? As I keep doing what I'm already been doing it. I'm going to keep trading music and I'm going to keep touring. And then what I learned is I had more time to invest into like creating my art and making connections and I had a good friend and mentor who took me on tour with him and then I got the grant and I started rocking with the band. So all these things kind of converged during that, that summer, um, that has begin to set me up to do the work that I'm still doing this as a full time artist. So you're, so you're still like, I've 

00:53:26       been doing full time. It's really impressive. Wow. That's not like I said, I know I ask myself that every day actually was like, how is this still happening? But no, I'm just super grateful to like my friends and my community who he booking me, keep supporting me. Like you're. Are you, are you, are you mostly making income from like live performances or. Yeah. So the way that I have marketed myself as an artist is solid to teaching artist residencies where our a school community space and a riding performance workshops from anywhere from like an hour or like a week or a couple of week-long residency. So I get booked for that or I get booked as a performer where I'll go either solo as a solo spoken word poet or with my band and saw good book for that. Or I'll go as a speaker. I'll do like keynote addresses or facilitate conversation. 

00:54:27       When you do that, what do you do? So it's pretty much depends on the vision of the people who book me, but I'm a facilitated conversation around intercultural competency, race relations, um, artistry is activism, those types of things. So yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, that's Kinda like my three fold. Um, you know, as a, as an artist is like the three things I conformance robots teaching and speaking. Yep, exactly. That's fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. And I think, I mean justin could totally be doing the same thing that I'm doing. I just trying to like I think five kind of. Yeah. Or you market yourself market development, some, some tools and tactics and um, some things have been really effective and successful for me and so I'm just trying to, like, you could do, you could do to help you out. Yeah. So, I mean, we've been touring together too as a band and that's why we're here in. 

00:55:21       Might not, um, but yeah, and the two of us possible in the past six months. So Cincinnati. Yep. Cool. We went here. What are your tours like? I mean, do you go out for like a few days for a week? It depends. Yeah, usually just a few days though. We haven't done like a week long one yet. I'm a lot. Majority of our work actually takes place in the twin cities, but we've gotten, we've gotten as far as North Carolina have to do a show out there for a festival slot. Who's fist? Yeah, that was cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they usually just like a weekend or a couple of days here, there. So where do you, where do you play in Minneapolis? What are, what are some irresponsible, you're like, hey, what are some of the. I'm trying to think of some of the uh, uh, a lot of w they need a cultural center day acquiring, um, didn't play at Acadia but not yet have a cedar. This Cedar Cedar at the beginning of the year. That was also. 

00:56:24       Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like kind of cultural and community spaces. Uh, sometimes clubs, we don't stop schools to her last school, you were a big hit. I grove elementary school. He almost caused a tidy riots. Were the auditory kids kids describe it as a tiny, right? Because it really, really truly was. Yeah. You can see the little video on my facebook. It's like [inaudible] kids, like. Yeah. So we formed and after we got done don't know. Said or did to like. Yeah, just incited a child. Trying to. Yeah, it's like a playful. So we're here, we're in an auditorium, like a huge auditorium in the school. Um, and we put this out there for this family day that they had and so the kids are all sitting on the floor, like it must've been like, what, 400 kit? I don't know, probably 400,000, 600, but it was probably for like elementary school age. 

00:57:36       She's the whole school pretty much their head. So we rocked out. We slayed. That was a good time. And then after we got done, I said something, I need to go back and look at the video, but I said something that caused him to jump off and like scream and shout and run towards us to give us hugs and high fives. Of course it was all love. But the teacher was like trying to. The main teacher had booked us, was like trying to calm him down. Like I said, there's a video you got to check out the video artist space is where the poetic diaspora history. Oh yes. 

00:58:14       We brought a song for you if you. So desire. And now's a good time or maybe let's do like 10 or 15 minutes. Yeah, we can wait. You can close. We've been close out with queen. Awesome. Perfect. I love that guitar. Seen so I can just hear in just that works here. Um, I wanna I wanna ask you guys about spiritual stuff. Sure. Cause I, I'm zero percent religious in any way, you know, grew up without religion. I respect it a lot and I think it's fascinating and I, you know, can, can feel the vibe of um, how you guys, um, combine, you know, your music and your art and your activism and your spirituality and I could feel it, but I didn't really understand it. Yeah. Yeah. It's 

00:59:22       interesting. Yeah. I don't know. I guess for me, I feel that I'm a, like a spiritual person having this human experience. I think like everybody's interconnected in this like indescribable spiritual, deep rooted way and it doesn't even necessarily have to be spiritual, right? I guess. I think spirit is just a word we use to describe that which we can't fully understand. So that's like my worldview. I look at like a lot of the things that we use are just like these, these holders, these containers for the thing, whatever the thing is, we don't, we can't quite good at it, but we're trying to. So we're using these words. We're using, um, these books were using music and poetry to try to get at the thing that we're really trying to get at. And so for me, the thing that I'm getting at is like this connection that's beyond myself, it's within myself, but it's also beyond myself to like to other human beings, to nature, to the world around me, that, that for me has been my dream and then always think or feel that way either because I actually grew up in, I grew up in a pretty Christian, um, household. 

01:00:38       But I think my spirituality has evolved over the years, like throughout my life as I identify as like a truth seeker is someone who's always like asking questions and someone. It's always been critical. Always digging deeper. What am I, what am I, right? As I say, I'm a truth seeker because I know the truth deeper than what you see first on the surface. And so yeah, that's, that's been my, that's been my story. But majority of, yes, that's what it means to me personally. I don't know what's, what's it for free just to me. Yeah. 

01:01:09       Um, yeah, I resonate with kind of the, the, for awhile, you know, I grew up in a Lutheran household. My Dad was Catholic, my mom was methodist. And then she brought me to a Lutheran church and then a few experiences happened where it drove me away from religion because I thought, you know, I'd seen the connection between how it had been used in the past to justify unjust things and you know, kind of convince people to do things that they probably wouldn't have found out otherwise. It was. Yeah. And I was like, wow, I can't, I don't. Yeah, I don't like that, about, about religion in that way. But then basically I said I didn't like that. And then I left and I was like, you know, last for awhile, not lost, I'm not, or whatever that means basically, uh, I didn't see myself as a spiritual being, you know, and then, but all the while having like these really, really powerful, incredible experiences around just like music where it's like, and meeting people and talking with people and conversations and like these synchronistic thing I contribute to like the universe, you know, it's like the universe is vast and a very close place as vast and expansive and like an unimaginably be like, um, varied. 

01:02:59       And there's so many mysteries about it and then, uh, and then bringing it back to today and it's like I just had so many experiences that were tied into like, this happened when I was thinking about this and it happened to be like, um, for example. Well, basically now I, I see, um, my, my spirituality is like fine. Also finding that inner truth where it's like, since I only perceive anything from outside of me within, and I experienced everything within, um, my spiritual journey is like diving within to discover the, the mysteries of the universe. I say the longest journey's journey within, right? Yeah. Yeah. And mysteries I think are like, um, like how, how large is it? How deep is the, um, is our galaxy and our university, are there multi-verse? What other dimensions are there in this world? And like, um, uh, you know, how can meditation and chant, like bring that feeling of healing and everything and doing it too. 

01:04:24       Yeah. What excites me is like how people experience it in different ways. Cause like, I think to brighten up your day. Does it like make the color of the trees greener? Does it? I talk about using different words and different metaphors and things like because what one person may call spirit, another person may call God, another person may call a vibration. Someone may just call that nature, you know, but we're still experiencing experiencing something, some sort of connective energy and that that's like kind of where I'm at. Like I love, I love hearing the different ways in which people express that connective energy, I'm sure, or whatever you want to call it, call it that they might call it something else because that more important to you than like, um, like a, like an actual necessarily you'd like belief in a thing like Louisa God, belief in her. For me that's the heart of it for me is like I love just sitting, didn't like learning about other people's experiences and how they experience it. And then again, you're talking about celebration. Like we could just celebrate it together, celebrate our uniqueness, but also totally commonalities across that too, because I think it was important to see both commonalities and differences and be able to like, be cool with both. 

01:05:40       So yeah, eh, different, uh, different ways of describing the same thing, like being a, uh, playing, playing guitar on a mountain side and having, you know, and just the site or just even like where I grew up being in the suburb and like at night, uh, one experience I had, I was playing out in the street and all of a sudden I looked and from the distance there to deer who like approaching me and then there's some other animals, like smaller critters that were coming out and then they just stopped and they just chilled and listened to me guitar for about an hour and a half. Played guitar for like these deer. 

01:06:31       And that was like a scene from like a Disney movie. It was the only time it's happened, man. I'm serious. Crazy. So that's where it's like, wow, there's something else we're like, there's still snow white going on in my life. And so, you know, if, if those experiences keep happening, how can I make those experiences happened 

01:06:54       more often and how can I share it with other people so they can have those kinds of experiences. 

01:06:59       What is that going to teach us? You know, it's like, what is that to you? All 

01:07:03       right. Does that teach us how to like interact with each other better? I think it could, but like I'm still trying to find that connection. Like how does it make us like better people. Yeah. And that's where, you know, calling out different habits to listen to us play music. I don't know what you talking about sharing that moment with other people, right? Shared that you just kind of shared it with us even just by telling us. Um, but we, you know, earlier we were talking about alleviating suffering and I think that's part of that story at least for me is like sharing these experiences that I want to celebrate and share this joy and this healing is to serve the purpose of like alleviating by suffering and the suffering of others. So that's like if I was to try to encapsulate like what my spirituality is about and how it lives at the intersection of like artists, street activism, that's it, right. There is like these celebratory Joyce healing moments that I've experienced. You want to share that with others so that together we can like experience less suffering in like, you know, raise the vibrations, dance and laugh and have a full life, more abundant life together. Yeah. That's kind of what it's all about for me. Yeah. Shea Shea. It is. So let it be, 

01:08:34       despite me having like no religious background, I've always felt like there's something, there's something sacred about music even though I don't even know exactly what I mean when I say that we don't always. There's, there's something in their show show and that's what I felt when I was identified as atheist for seven years. So it was like absolutely something like sacred about it. Saying it in a cathedral of. Yeah, it can be really powerful. That's how, that's how you travel. Yeah. This space. Is there some truth in that? I think for sure. For sure. 

01:09:13       Yeah. That's how you, you, uh, you know, conjure life from the depths of a dementia. 

01:09:24       Right? Right. Yeah. You call on the ancient whatever, like ancient wisdom and knowledge that's within us. That's our DNA, you know, Blah. It's like the same stuff that is like pulsating in the center of supermassive stars. Light years old of a star is also the astronomer over here. Yes. Yes. But I, ah, you're making me think that I should go to NASA and [inaudible] 

01:09:59       should I play some guitar for the answer to the question I like to ask you this question. Actually, I wanna ask this to you too, but I asked Justin, 

01:10:07       dear Dr. Long car ride out here. Um, I said if you could do anything in the whole wide world and money had nothing to do with it. Like you didn't have to worry about how much money was going to cost, how much money you're going to make, how to survive financially, like completely reject money from the equation. Like what would you spend your time and energy doing? I think you mentioned something about astrology. Didn't you strike me something was studying strategy, but yeah. How about you, Laura? Like if you were 

01:10:41       uh, I would make music and I would talk to people, right. And travel a lot and spend a lot of time in nature. Yeah. Cool. Cool. Yeah, I agree. We do a lot of that. Gosh, miss that. Yeah. I would talk to people to. Yeah. But it sounds like that's what I'm, I'm trying, I'm trying to figure out a way I can do that and yeah, you know, it might take me five years to get there, but yeah, 

01:11:14       yeah, yeah, yeah. High five you. Yeah. Yeah. High Five for anybody listening. Um, would you telling me about just a few details about recording in 2015? I think I looked up the studio that you recorded in a way. Yeah, it looks amazing. And what was that like for you didn't ask the spine. That's where atmosphere, recorded atmosphere, if you're familiar with. Yeah. Plus hip-hop greats. Yeah, but I was a really cool vibe. I became good friends with one of the primary producers we work with named Brian Bowen. I'm sound, sound engineer. And so that was my first time doing it, like a professional studio recorded prior to that I had done stuff like on garage band in a whole basement type of total hours the first time. So that was really cool. And I learned a lot through that process too. Like I had a lot of material that was ready prior to going into the booth. 

01:12:27       But then just the, the patience that it takes to actually get those, get the takes that you want and that actually sound quality. Um, I, I didn't know who or how long that was going to take like standing there and you only take a couple of times. But then there's these little subtle things that someone with a good ear can catch at art, you know, Brady be the brilliant sound engineer that he is. He was, he was able to create something that was amazing, but only because he could hear those things saying, OK, we've got to go back. We have to fix this. Or last part. You're like, you did annunciate enough right there. You gotta start. Say that again for sure. There's so many. That's just what the voice is, the voice is just one part of it. Then you get down to the music too. So that's a whole other complex layer process that I was able to learn a lot about by going to the studio for the first time. 

01:13:20       So, um, and so what, uh, I mean, I'm assuming you wrote all the lyrics, even the ones that you aren't necessarily your vocal as far yet, but I'm musically how much like are you, are you telling people like an idea of what you want to play? Do you have it all mapped out? Do you have it? I mean, do you have those? It's a great question. Did you have that stuff together with a band before you went into the studio or using the studio as an instrument yet? The way that I work is I have music in me, like all the time I got all these sounds swimming in my head and my body. And so a lot of times I'll like kind of throw out. I try to dictate whatever it is about OK, this, this part goes like this. This is the melody, this is the rhythm, whatever it may be, and I'll give to my musician friends who then take it and put their own style on it and it become something better than what even I imagined, but a lot of it I do have a general idea. 

01:14:20       I try to have a hyper map, but then we hop in the ride and we drive that map and then we might take, take us to a different direction than what I had mapped out. But if it sounds cool, but I'm vibing with it and I'm cool, you know, I don't mind. So yeah. But yeah, I do oftentimes have like some, some compositions of arrangements in my head. We, it's definitely highly collaborative. I like to draw something. I like to just say, Hey, this is my idea, but if we're going to make it something new, as long as we're all vibing with sounds good, sounds good. And feels good, lets us create that. So that's awesome. Yeah, that's how we did a black gold as well. By the end of the, the recording process, I had worked with several musicians, um, and we, w we had such a phenomenal time working together. We decided to keep doing it in that word. 

01:15:13       Yeah. Um, it was, uh, and that's always how it's been, you know, it's like he'll, he'll bring that, like, like he said, he'd bring the idea and then usually all play something back that's like a little different, you know. And then he's like, oh no, no, no, that's cool man. I take that, like, let's throw that down. Like OK cool. Yeah, let's do that. And so it's been, it's been fun to like, that is the process. Cause that's the, that's the vision I think all of us have is to like, you know, if Joe's got the idea, let's make that idea, you know, let's, let's shape that idea and put our own interpretation since we are kind of these beings of light that are manifested in different ways, how can we shine the light in different, unique ways for like a prism, right? Yes. I could presume a diamond is like a fractal, a fractal, different as are all these different metaphors for the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. And I think the fractal thing is like a little confusing. I guess. So yeah. We will keep working on that. Yeah. We have to give. We've got to come up. Very 

01:16:22       helpful in coming up with. How can I explain what I'm trying to say? Yeah. Of what I was saying earlier is like oftentimes with language, but I love language and obviously I'm a poet, but it's like I'm a collector of metaphors and so I'm always looking for the better for, you know, like, like yes, that's what I do. So maybe that's even a better name than a poet, a collector of metaphors because I'm just trying to try to describe my experiences. Um, and that's, you know, no, I don't always have the best words for it, but I keep looking, you know. Yes. That's why I learned on the journey on the, on the search. I remember listening to this poet and she was talking about how she like, she literally has like a, like a notebook where she stores just 

01:17:10       metaphors. The analogies are saying. Yeah, as an excellent. I'm not organized enough. Not Patient enough yet. Yeah. I just write everything out in the one notebook that I have at this time. Did you get it right? Everything I've ever know, which isn't an apple. OK. Yeah. So I'll put it on there. So I stopped. No Bluetooth. It's kind of like my secret notebook. Right. How do you like a evernote? I love it man. It's been such a game changer for me. I've used that for the past shoe. I don't want to say maybe five years or so to and so many of my poems and songs are in there like I like, cause cause one of the ways that I work is I'll have ideas. I just need to get out. Like right away. It's kind of like capturing lightning in a bottle with the muse speaks. 

01:17:58       Absolutely. Yeah. That guy to get it. And so I'll just take y'all evernote because that's the quickest way. I can just get it down, put it there, maybe I'll come back to it later on and that'll only be like a fragment of a song. And then sometimes like a, like a week later something I'll, I'll have another piece to it, like a, like a quilt, like you're stitching together work quilt. Eventually it'll come together and maybe I'll be at a, at a jam session with Justin and then uh, I'll be like, oh Yo, I got these, you know, these string a string of rhymes or you know, a collection of metaphors. I'm going to put it together, throw that into the mix and it becomes a song. So like, oh, I have this composition has been so dope. I've thought often about getting it for years. I'd highly recommend it. 

01:18:41       It's free. You can. I have the free version. I've actually used this. Well I think I just recently upgraded to premium or something like the last couple of months, but you could use the free version to just get away with it. It's still, I can't do that. Um, yeah, yeah, it's good. I just have a series of Google docs going back to the 2013 now. Wow. That's just a mouse that's going to take a week and just like go through everything and it. Totally. Yeah. It's due. And then would you like combine the stuff too or whatever. So that's where uh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like what you're saying joe is like the quilt work. Do you do the coolest work? Do you work on the old? How do you get that momentum back for like, yeah, it's so funny. Like these new, like writing tools and apps and stuff like, um, like evernote. 

01:19:33       There's this one I use called air table which is like, yeah. And some, sometimes they'll do that so I can like have like the text and then I can like tag it like whatever the, you know, so I can, you know, maybe the thematically or what the mood is so I can like go back and be like, oh well this thing actually might fit with this other thing that I never even thought about combining it with. You know what I mean? Do. Yeah, writing is writing is weird in the uh, in 2017. Yes it is. There's a lot of. We're eight months in guys, uh, before, before we hear your song, the last, the last thing you should ask us. What's, what's the, uh, what's the future? Are you working on a new recording? Do you have big plans for touring? What's the. Yeah. 

01:20:23       So the long-term vision is that we're working towards our debut album as Joe Davis and the poetic diaspora, so we're currently kind of in and out of the studio was still doing a lot of writing, would have a lot of songs on the album as well. And so the ideal trajectory is to have the album out by like 2018, maybe spring, summer and then the tour after that. Um, so yeah, that's, that's what we're working towards and I'm excited that we got a lot of new juice, a lot of new sauce that we got to put foot down, get it on wax. And then even this weekend, I mean we're, we're here for rock the leaves Music Festival for why not festival? And so we before performing tonight at 9:30, tomorrow at six, um, and so yeah, just performing, performing a lot. Yeah. So tonight at 9:30 we're going to be 62 doors and then tomorrow we're going to be an oak park amphitheater at 6:00 PM. So, uh, yeah, Ken Rockwood, s we're going to be out there where we're still kind of like touring a little bit throughout like Minnesota and maybe some of the Virginia. But then for the, uh, after the album's released, that's what I really want to just hit the touring more heavily to get the new music out there. So yeah. Yeah. 

01:21:47       And for me it's uh, the same thing, you know, I'm playing guitar rock and in the Diaspora and I was just saying Joe, before we came in and I was like, dude, we gotta wants to throw this Alan down. You got to get some new songs. Like, dude, we have new songs like I know, but like always, always, always songs. I guess what I was saying is that I need to write some new songs. And so my, my vision is to continue writing, um, and continued doing that. Um, and then I'm also in another band, nice called Seaberg, that blue colorway Seaberg Seaberg, so c and then B, e r, g like iceberg, but post as ea and the last name of the lead singer Taylor. And so it's like sea. Yeah, e, e R, G S E A, b e r, g, OK. C Berg. I play Bass and Seaberg. And um, we're looking at touring and early 2018. Um, so we coordinate that. That actually worked well because then you want to do summer. Let's. Yeah, if we this out right now I guess is what I would doubt if we record this. I 

01:23:00       finished the album like 2017 and then I'm gonna I plan on doing like a big 

01:23:05       marketing promotional campaign thereafter and that's when you all could be on your Seaberg tour that it'd be the diaspora to but exactly see how it goes. And then, uh, you know, I'm trying to think of different projects that I can do that. It's like, yeah, this is Justin Halvorson's, whatever. You know, I've, I've, I've orchestrated thing so I'm guitarist and singer and poet and writer, so I'm like, what are these different things so that I could do so as the people that are already my family and friends. So I'm the lots more lost, more and more work unit stay based in Minneapolis you think? Yeah, I think for now, yeah, least Eileen's going anywhere. But uh, I'm getting married, getting married next spring, a summer this July 20th is going to be July 20 2018. And so my partner, I think that we're both going to stick around the twin cities, but I'm always open to possibility so we'll see what happens and saying, you know, it's like at least the next year for sure. 

01:24:22       And like I could see myself being there for the next five or the rest of my life or I can be somewhere else, you know? So, um, but yeah, the next year probably be cool. Plus based. Cool. Yeah, I love the twin cities. I got mad up for the twist. It's yeah, it's good stuff, man. Love not to let me. Just the hometown. So hard in North Dakota. Right? Is it really? It's great. I have family in Fargo and morehead and a Fargo was. It's all right. You know, it's OK. But um, last year being the first time coming to mind, I was pleasantly or awakened to line on. That was really nice. So I was excited to come back with Joe this year and, and we are doing the thing. The journey continues. MMM. MMM. Yeah. OK, well I'm going to say thank you right now. So thank you. 

01:25:17       Thanks for coming. This is what an honor and a joy. He's been fun. It was a good set up. It's nice to have like a trifecta conversation. Yeah, I'm glad I was telling. I'm super glad it because it would've been as fun. Like I'm just saying the overall, like the last couple of days we've got to do some fun stuff. So I'm glad he's a rocker with me. It would be fun, you know. Yeah. And I knew it would be a good time. Good chance in a way and to be. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Nice. All right, well thanks. And uh, we hear the song or what? Oh yes. So we were, while we were chilling in the lounge area is. Well, I mean, I wish I could just say that president though, we actually have, 

01:26:04       we have like really good creation chemistry so we come up with new songs like all the same time I used on the job of a dive, but we did come up with just, just now is a new version of an older song, so acoustic rendition of a song called raise up. Great. So this song actually was first birth on, um, by 2015 released black gold. And at the time I was calling it dream rebirthed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I have since, uh, with the band as we've like just shaped new material as it grew it was burst and it grew up, it got a little bit older and they decided they wanted to change his name to raise up. And so this is, this is raise up without some of the decorative sounds of the full band, but the decorative sounds of my guess are brought to you by Joe Davis and Justin Horseman. Diaspora, yes. 

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01:30:44       That was fricking beautiful day today. So that's one of those moments where I'm like, I picked the right thing to do with my life than. Yeah. Um, we are so glad to have been here. Yes, this is great. This is awesome. Show dope guys. When we, we're in the rear of the lobby, we're like, yes, this is the right thing, but we're just jamming, just vibing. How many kids have it.